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To: Seven_0

Where do you put Revelation 13 on the timeline? Notice that the seventh trumpet begins with a transfer of power and ends with the judgment of the dead. I think there are parallel timelines. (Rev 10:11)

Good question. Think of Isaiah, where the prophesies are out of order chronologically. The same with Revelation. Rev. 13, the rise of the two beasts, comes before the seventh trumpet. Rev. 12 is in progress right now, a second war in heaven where the dragon will lose and get kicked out of the second heaven, then confined to the Earth. We have had precursors to the first four seals (coronavirus, Ukraine, Gaza) but they are reflections of things to come. It’s notable that all colors of the first four seals are represented on the Palestinian flag (white, red, black and pale green).
The seals and trumpets seem to have a parallel structure, where the sixth seal and the first four trumpets are linked together (several natural disasters, earthquakes, super-volcano, solar event, comet/asteroid impact) w/ a human component (limited thermonuclear war).
It’s interesting that the fifth trumpet are locusts from the pit that are the size of horses (Nephilim)? This occurs after Rev. 12 has completed. Satan is now confined to the Earth. He knows that his time is short. The locusts are commanded not to attack those with the seal of God on their foreheads (all who have not accepted the Mark). This implies that the locusts will attack only those with the Mark of the Beast. Therefor, the rapture of the saints has not occurred yet.
The seventh trumpet is sounded after the two witnesses are resurrected from the dead and rise up the God. This is a clear indication of the rapture and explains the mystery of the seventh trumpet delayed in the Book of Revelation. The two witnesses are the first to be raptured, then all of the saints, both living and dead will follow them. The two witnesses may be Old Testament saints or two that come out of the Great Tribulation, anointed with the power of both Elijah and John the Baptist.

Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. Matthew 11:11


98 posted on 04/26/2024 5:57:12 AM PDT by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: thepoodlebites; Roman_War_Criminal
Good question. Think of Isaiah, where the prophesies are out of order chronologically. The same with Revelation.

Maybe not. If Revelation has two concurrent prophecies, the timeline changes completely. There is support for this idea in scripture but I have not read it in any commentaries although many say that the seventh trumpet is very near the end of the tribulation.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
This verse should cause us to look at a split timeline seriously. The structure of scripture gives us a clue of what to expect. The prophecies follow the rule of 1Corinthians 15:46 ,first natural then spiritual. The very first verse of the second prophecy, (11:19) “the temple of God was opened in heaven,” is just one of the many examples. The order ,natural then spiritual, is used in scripture so many times that you cannot find a first-born son in the genealogy of Christ.

You say that events in Revelation are not in chronological order. Is that because it does not fit your interpretation or can you provide other support for the conclusion? We can line up the two prophecies by looking at the intersections. Both have the judgment of the dead Rev11:18 and Rev. 20:12. The rapture occurs in Rev 4:1 and in Rev.14:16. It may be that the events of Revelation 12 and 13 will precede the rapture. Rev 14:13 “Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth.” Is this directed at the people who are about to miss a big event?

There is evidence in scripture that there will be 7 years between the rapture and the second coming. I am not going to discuss that now but we know that God’s word is replete with undiscovered treasure. The correct interpretation will be a perfect fit to what is coming. If the famine of Amos 8:11 coincides with the tribulation, we will do well to ponder the prophetic significance to the seven year of plenty which preceded the seven years famine in Joesph’s day, especially as we are approaching the seventh anniversary of the sign of Revelation 12.
101 posted on 04/28/2024 10:40:29 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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