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  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/24/2004 2:53:29 AM PDT · 322 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to gawatchman
    We are not talking about whorehouses. We are talking about legal business establishments.

    Whorehouses are legal in Nevada. The issue is not whether these businesses are tolerated under the law but whether or not they attract or increase criminal activities (such as littering of biohazardous materials and public indecency in an adjacent church parking lot). They certainly do at least attract crime, which is why most states have zoning regulations providing for protective, porn- and strip-club- free zones (e.g. 1,000 feet radius) around churches, schools, etc.

    Perhaps the non-churchgoers would understand the issue more clearly if they saw the "church" as their daughter's high school, the parking lot as the school parking lot, those forced to see the naked bodies of lecherous men as the schoolchildren, and the school principal as the one who had come up with the postcard idea after state officials ignored repeated requests to clean up the vice.

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/24/2004 2:40:57 AM PDT · 321 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to Oatka
    For years, churchgoers say, they have found pornographic magazines, condoms and drug needles in the parking lot. A few have encountered some of the adult businesses' drunken patrons, who have spewed insults or exposed themselves, . . .The other city officials don't seem to care, and they think this side of Kennedale doesn't matter,

    You're right that these sentences are key. Reading the whole story carefully shows that the churchgoers minded their own business for years while suffering the consequences of others' vice. It was only after the proper state authorities refused to do their jobs to protect the church's property and members that the church leadership took their own creative measures to address the problems.

    The postcards may fail as evangelical tools but they should make the porn patrons be more careful to avoid creating a nuisance on church property. And the media attention may lead to more police patroling of the neighborhood. Both of these outcomes are worthy.

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/24/2004 2:23:40 AM PDT · 320 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to Mulder
    What consenting adults do is *their* business.

    It should be. But it's not under current insurance laws. In a fair world, those who choose to smoke or drink to excess and/or be sexually promiscuous would have their own insurance pools for which they would pay higher premiums. And those who choose to abstain would be able to purchase insurance with lower premiums. Right now that's not the case, with the exception of smoking.

    Why? Because the same liberals who insisted on the right of consenting adults to sleep around with who/whatever they please whenever they please also passed laws in the name of fairness preventing insurance policies from excluding from coverage the typical results of such behavior (abortion; STDs, many of which incurable; other diseases from STDs, etc.) Thus instead of having separate insurance policies and premiums for those who prefer risky behavior, companies must include everyone (except smokers) in the same pool.

    Just how much does this coerced inclusion cost the non-promiscuous? At least $200/month in increased health insurance costs alone. I can say this pretty confidently, because that's how much less certain religious medical cost-sharing services charge for comparable coverage. These cost-sharing plans can charge less because, not technically being insurance, they can and do exclude coverage of abortion, STDs, etc.

    Of course, this quick estimate doesn't even include higher life insurance premiums. It also doesn't include the impact of the uninsured promiscuous on higher emergency room expenses which are passed on via higher general hospital bills to the non-promiscuous insured...

    Thus, given current laws, what consenting adults do is properly everyone's business.

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/24/2004 1:54:32 AM PDT · 319 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to aruanan
    Too bad Norwood and congregation aren't well-versed in the Bible or don't care about following its instructions.

    Actually, they appear to be trying to associate with pagans who are sexually perverted, which the verses you cite permit. That may not be wise if the congregation is home to any vulnerable young ladies (and may be sinful in that regard), but it hardly violates the text you cite, which requires Christians to shun Church members who are unrepentant of public vice.

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/24/2004 1:40:32 AM PDT · 318 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to Mulder
    I'm not defensive. I simply have a real problem with some jerk that goes around taking pictures of Americans participating in lawful behavior, and then goes online to find their home address (is this even legal?) and then mails them their pictures. What consenting adults do is *their* business.

    What consenting adults do in private is their business alone if it doesn't hurt other people (e.g. not adultery and no public health problem from promiscuity as is the case with AIDS) but public activities are, by definition, not public. And visiting a porn shop in public is, well, public.

    As for public look-up of license plates, I don't think it's permitted in most states. If it is in your state, then lobby the legislature to change the law.

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/24/2004 1:31:05 AM PDT · 317 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to HoustonCurmudgeon
    I believe I will post to the web those [pics] of the three Baptist Deacons who were drinking. Two from Second Baptist in Houston and one from Sugar Creek Baptist in Sugar Land, after all there's nothing illegal so why would they care?

    Thoughtful Baptists are in a difficult position with respect to consumption of alcoholic beverages, because their church teaching so clearly contradicts the Bible, which says that "God gave wine" as a gift to men and records Jesus' first miracle as turning water into wine at a wedding celebration. The sin is drinking to excess, i.e. drunkenness, not drinking at all.

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/24/2004 1:22:35 AM PDT · 316 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to tpaine
    [Mailing the postcard] is a type of harrassment, an assault on an individual[']s right to be left to live in peace.

    Not at all. If the individual lives alone, he should receive the postcard alone. If he does not live alone, there is a risk his private vice will become public and bring shame on his name. But no one has a special right to keep private vice private. And no one has a right to avoid the natural consequences of that exposure.

    Current Supreme Court silliness may endorse a right to view porn but it hasn't gone so far yet as to endorse a requirement that everyone else must keep secret the identity of those who patronize porn in public view.

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/24/2004 1:11:37 AM PDT · 315 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to tpaine
    The postcard is a disturbance of the peace.

    That, of course, would depend on the jurisdiction. I haven't heard of a jurisdiction in which the postcard would qualify. If you have so heard, please let us know which it is and quote the applicable legal text. Otherwise, please drop this argument.

    This form of mail could very well spark domestic fights at the recipients home, and even seems intended to do so.

    It could only spark such a fight in a home where one spouse (or live-in lover) has not told the other of his porn consumption. If the significant other has been duly informed, there should be no problem. The problem would arise only if there has been sneaking around. And, in such case, doesn't the other person have a right to know?

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/24/2004 1:03:11 AM PDT · 314 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to HoustonCurmudgeon
    I believe I will post to the web those of the three Baptist Deacons who were drinking. Two from Second Baptist in Houston and one from Sugar Creek Baptist in Sugar Land, after all there's nothing illegal so why would they care?

    Obviously, there is a difference between posting such a pic on the Web, which could theoretically be seen by millions anywhere on earth, and mailing the pic to the residence of the person in the photo. The second -- which is what the church did -- is not an invasion of privacy.

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/23/2004 4:27:12 AM PDT · 17 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to Recovering Hermit
    Maybe. I was raised under the "God helps those who help themselves" mentality.

    You may be aware, but most Americans aren't, that this maxim is from Ben Franklin's Poor Richard's Almanac and not the Bible. It's a thoroughly unbiblical notion. Ever since Creation, God has always been the one who acts first. The most man can ever do is respond and, even then, do so only using the ability and strength previously provided by God.

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/23/2004 4:23:25 AM PDT · 16 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to Recovering Hermit
    A little too much "Big Brother" for me. Perverts will be perverts whether or not they get "busted" by some pastor with a camera.

    Perhaps. But think about the unsuspecting spouse. If that person gets the mail first, he or she would then have the opportunity to escape the relationship sooner rather than later. Isn't that a likely and desirable outcome?

  • 2008 Presidential Speculation,, very interesting

    05/23/2004 4:17:24 AM PDT · 188 of 266
    Stop Legal Plunder to blanknoone
    White men lean strongly R. Every other demographic leans D

    Not so. Married women (and especially married women with children) are Republican. Only the single women vote Dim.

  • 2008 Presidential Speculation,, very interesting

    05/23/2004 4:00:41 AM PDT · 185 of 266
    Stop Legal Plunder to Remember_Salamis
    [Owens] combined this model education accountability plan with five consecutive years of full state funding for public education.

    Not good. Government school shouldn't be reformed; it should be replaced. It's bad policy to do anything to restore credibility to socialist education. Gov. Owens should instead promote tax credits for home and private schooling, so those who prefer to keep their children free of secular/socialist education don't have to pay for it anyway. "Full state funding" is just politically correct expression of stealing from the people.

  • 2008 Presidential Speculation,, very interesting

    05/23/2004 3:51:10 AM PDT · 184 of 266
    Stop Legal Plunder to Torie
    The ONLY candidate that has said on his first day in office he'll do away with abortion is Perouka of the Constitution Party.

    Just how is the chap going to do that? By extra-Constitutional means? LOL.

    Abortion was 'legalized' by extra-constitutional means (black-robed oligarchs inventing rights). Likewise sodomy. As all presidents take an oath to support and defend the constitution, they must use the full power of the executive branch to actively resist unconstitutional court rulings. Especially when those rulings legalize murder. Anything less is shameful cowardice.

  • 2008 Presidential Speculation,, very interesting

    05/23/2004 3:34:37 AM PDT · 182 of 266
    Stop Legal Plunder to Torie
    There really is a dearth of plausible names out there, actually. The governors have in general been badly burned by fiscal problems...The Senate has a long list of relatively mediocre names...

    How about George Allen? A good record as governor of Virginia AND now a good Senate record.

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/23/2004 3:20:15 AM PDT · 8 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to Recovering Hermit
    I agree with their message, but not their method. This is wrong.

    How is this wrong?

  • Postcard message to porn patrons: See you in church

    05/23/2004 3:16:37 AM PDT · 6 of 524
    Stop Legal Plunder to Mulder; explodingspleen
    This is creepy. I wouldn't be surprised if the do-gooder pastor was banging the church secretary on the side. People like that "pastor" need to mind their own damn business.

    If there's nothing wrong with patronizing porn, why sound so defensive? Is this the voice of a guilty conscience?

  • Stop Pretending: Dressing Sexy Comes at a Price

    04/06/2004 7:49:43 AM PDT · 17 of 205
    Stop Legal Plunder to goldstategop
    Female modesty in the past forced men to behave respectfully towards women in order to achieve their ultimate goal of having sex. But with sex available on a platter, on call, why should men bother with the niceties?

    It's only human nature - a man will prize a woman more who saves herself over one who is easy to get into bed.

    Indeed. I have heard this put more bluntly as: "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?" The question is quite vulgar, I realize, but all too many women don't have a clue as to "Why won't he commit?" and they need to know the answer.

  • Sean Hannity Appearance

    02/18/2004 7:54:11 AM PST · 17 of 56
    Stop Legal Plunder to Middle Man
    Sean Hannity -- typical blowhard from the Rush/Boortz School of Empty Rhetoric. All talk and no action. Do[oes]n't offer anything substantive to reduce big government or socialism, just talk[s] the talk.

    So what more substantive thing have you done to reduce big government or socialism?

  • Sean Hannity Appearance

    02/18/2004 7:50:44 AM PST · 16 of 56
    Stop Legal Plunder to Crazieman
    ...He plugs his book too much, and repeats himself too much, but he still gets the point across...

    As a former marketing professional, I disagree with the first part of your post. Repetition is how Sean gets his point across. It's by far the most effective way to get one's point to stand out in the flood of media babble on the airways and on the Internet (especially when most of the media don't support one's perspective).

    That's how marketing and communications work, for better for worse. Sean should receive credit rather than blame for recognizing that reality and working with it effectively.