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2008 Presidential Speculation,, very interesting
Enter Stage Right Website ^ | 06/16/03 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 05/22/2004 7:43:29 PM PDT by Maurice1962

Operation 2008 also assumes that Republicans will not have a great candidate in five years. In fact, the Republican Party is producing an arsenal of powerful campaigners, including conservative candidates who are members of traditionally Democrat minorities. Consider, for example, what a potent candidate Herman Cain would make in 2008, if he is elected to the Senate in 2004 as an attractive, articulate black conservative Republican from Georgia?

The favorite today may well be Jeb Bush. Americans like political families, Floridians like Jeb Bush, and Jeb's wife, who is Mexican, will not just help win Hispanic voters, but more specifically Mexican voters, who will be a potent force in California and other states. If national security remains the principal concern of Americans, continuity in administration would have great appeal (FDR won two extra presidential elections for precisely this reason).

Bush-Cain 2008 How dynamic would a Jeb Bush - Herman Cain ticket be? This dream ticket would garner all the people who love President Bush and it would also pull in black and Hispanic voters who were otherwise ambivalent toward Republican candidates.

The polarizing effect of Hillary in such a race would be entirely negative. Many people would vote for Jeb and many people would vote against Hillary, but those who opposed Jeb and supported Hillary - a small part of the electorate - would not be influenced at all.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: 2008
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To: HitmanNY
Overturning Roe v Wade would not make abortion illegal nationally, it would just leave it up to the states. Guess what? Peoples minds are different now on the matter than they were in 1943 and even in 1973. After some shakeup, most states would still have legal abortions, and the abortion number would still be around 1.4 million a year, like it is now.

I believe many states would outlaw abortion. And, even if none did, at least it would be decided by elected officials instead of seven justices. And you better believe that conservatives would be working hard every election cycle to get pro-abort legislators replaced. So, it's a huge deal.
181 posted on 05/23/2004 3:32:20 AM PDT by Rastus
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To: Torie
There really is a dearth of plausible names out there, actually. The governors have in general been badly burned by fiscal problems...The Senate has a long list of relatively mediocre names...

How about George Allen? A good record as governor of Virginia AND now a good Senate record.

182 posted on 05/23/2004 3:34:37 AM PDT by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: Mulder

Were do you get that idea? You are quite mistaken.


183 posted on 05/23/2004 3:43:13 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Torie
The ONLY candidate that has said on his first day in office he'll do away with abortion is Perouka of the Constitution Party.

Just how is the chap going to do that? By extra-Constitutional means? LOL.

Abortion was 'legalized' by extra-constitutional means (black-robed oligarchs inventing rights). Likewise sodomy. As all presidents take an oath to support and defend the constitution, they must use the full power of the executive branch to actively resist unconstitutional court rulings. Especially when those rulings legalize murder. Anything less is shameful cowardice.

184 posted on 05/23/2004 3:51:10 AM PDT by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: Remember_Salamis
[Owens] combined this model education accountability plan with five consecutive years of full state funding for public education.

Not good. Government school shouldn't be reformed; it should be replaced. It's bad policy to do anything to restore credibility to socialist education. Gov. Owens should instead promote tax credits for home and private schooling, so those who prefer to keep their children free of secular/socialist education don't have to pay for it anyway. "Full state funding" is just politically correct expression of stealing from the people.

185 posted on 05/23/2004 4:00:41 AM PDT by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: B Knotts
Conservatives would stay home in droves....

Sheeple

186 posted on 05/23/2004 4:00:56 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Remember_Salamis
I would disagree that the realignment will not happen until the culture war is over. I think it will happen when it is obvious to D's that their party is dying. The realignment will reflect the culture war and be one of its biggest battles...but it will not wait until it is over. In fact, I don't think it will ever be truly over. I see it as a philiophical struggle that started between Plato and Aristotle.

That being said, I think the most fundamental point I was trying to make is that we not only have to run FOR our principles, we also have to run against our oppositions.

187 posted on 05/23/2004 4:03:38 AM PDT by blanknoone (I voted for before I voted against it, didn't show up for the vote except once, but left too early)
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To: blanknoone
White men lean strongly R. Every other demographic leans D

Not so. Married women (and especially married women with children) are Republican. Only the single women vote Dim.

188 posted on 05/23/2004 4:17:24 AM PDT by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: Stop Legal Plunder

If you slice and dice fine enough, you can find other pockets that lean R. Women as a group, and white women, both lean D.


189 posted on 05/23/2004 4:24:40 AM PDT by blanknoone (I voted for before I voted against it, didn't show up for the vote except once, but left too early)
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To: Mulder

Gotta disagree about Rudy.

New York was in a state of irreversible decline when he came in. He made the city safer, cleaner and liveable again. He was an extremely effective leader of a big, complex government.The fact that he's articulate, likeable and has a commanding profile earned under fire makes him appealing nationally.

There aren't many, if any, pubbies I see with Rudy's good qualities.


190 posted on 05/23/2004 4:26:39 AM PDT by get'emall (Kofi Annan: Lawn Jockey on the Arab Street.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Giuliani is NOT electable as a Republican president, VP maybe. His pro-abortion stance renders him unelectable.Regardless of how you feel voters who are basically conservative should feel about single issue voting, Giuliani will lose a very large chunk of voters who will stay home precisely because of his position. If he did a public recantation as Bush Sr. did that would eliminate that problem.
191 posted on 05/23/2004 4:27:26 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: Rastus

I also think Bobby Jindal, who is a Republican rising star, could run for President in the future. No doubt, he would do a great job as President.


192 posted on 05/23/2004 5:25:42 AM PDT by Reader of news
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To: HitmanNY

Catholics cannot in good conscience vote for a guy like Giuliani. He's too far astray on culture of life issues.


194 posted on 05/23/2004 6:13:54 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Torie; HitmanNY
Guiliani should not be ruled out. This site overemphasizes the abortion issue, particularly vis a vis those who favor some restrictions, but not an outright ban.

Look...I'm just trying to point out the political reality. If you toss pro-life voters overboard, you do not win, unless you pick up a whole lot of voters somewhere else.

This isn't a matter of absolutism, as President Bush is not consistently pro-life, but still is enough so to gain the support of most pro-lifers.

But when you start trying to promote out-and-out pro-abort candidates, you alienate a lot of people to whom the pro-life issue is first and foremost.

195 posted on 05/23/2004 6:18:52 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Torie; HitmanNY
Incidentally, according to a recent poll I saw (don't remember which one), something like 58% of voters favor abortion only in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.

So, it is the abortion-on-demand absolutists that are out of tough on this issue.

196 posted on 05/23/2004 6:21:07 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: HitmanNY
Americans don't like abortion, but they don't want it illegal.

Not exactly. Here's the (Zogby) poll I just mentioned (I was off by two points...it's 56%, not 58%):

New poll shows growing shift toward pro-life position

The April 15-17 poll conducted by Zogby International showed that 56 percent of those responding said that abortion should never be legal or be legal only when the mother's life is in danger or in cases of rape and incest. Forty-two percent of the respondents said abortion should be legal for any reason for the first, first and second, or all three trimesters of pregnancy.

197 posted on 05/23/2004 6:27:35 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Maurice1962

I like Jeb but that would be political suicide for the GOP---it would smack too much of nepotism and family "dynasty," and it would fall flat. Jeb would work as Rudy Guiliani's VEEP.


198 posted on 05/23/2004 6:48:51 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: xrp

"Please God, don't ever let Jeb Bush run for president"

That is my prayer as well. He is a good man & a great politicial but the voters in general with not elect another Bush to the presidency for many years IMHP.


199 posted on 05/23/2004 6:55:31 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: get'emall
There aren't many, if any, pubbies I see with Rudy's good qualities.

"Good" qualities, like increasing the police state, and wanting to take away all of guns?

For once, let's go with a real conservative like Mark Sanford or Gary Johnson.

200 posted on 05/23/2004 7:51:50 AM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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