these issues could end the Democrat's plantation
politics...permanently...which would destroy
the Democrat party...
Posted on 05/22/2004 7:43:29 PM PDT by Maurice1962
Operation 2008 also assumes that Republicans will not have a great candidate in five years. In fact, the Republican Party is producing an arsenal of powerful campaigners, including conservative candidates who are members of traditionally Democrat minorities. Consider, for example, what a potent candidate Herman Cain would make in 2008, if he is elected to the Senate in 2004 as an attractive, articulate black conservative Republican from Georgia?
The favorite today may well be Jeb Bush. Americans like political families, Floridians like Jeb Bush, and Jeb's wife, who is Mexican, will not just help win Hispanic voters, but more specifically Mexican voters, who will be a potent force in California and other states. If national security remains the principal concern of Americans, continuity in administration would have great appeal (FDR won two extra presidential elections for precisely this reason).
Bush-Cain 2008 How dynamic would a Jeb Bush - Herman Cain ticket be? This dream ticket would garner all the people who love President Bush and it would also pull in black and Hispanic voters who were otherwise ambivalent toward Republican candidates.
The polarizing effect of Hillary in such a race would be entirely negative. Many people would vote for Jeb and many people would vote against Hillary, but those who opposed Jeb and supported Hillary - a small part of the electorate - would not be influenced at all.
I love Jeb Bush. But whether the voters would accept yet another Bush is a real question. Maybe with a smart black VP?
Guiliani should not be ruled out. This site overemphasizes the abortion issue, particularly vis a vis those who favor some restrictions, but not an outright ban. But I don't think he has it in his gut to run, and he did have cancer, which tends to focus the mind, on those who have been in politics all their life. Guiliani is clearly the one New Yorker one can imagine the Pubbies nominating in a very long time. But Rudy needs to do something between now and then to make himself useful. I am not sure he can do that.
Plus I recall several discussions here before about her having some kind of "baggage" that would be hard to get around.
Just what kind of baggage is open to specualation. At this point that's all it is...specualtion. Then again where there's smoke....
prisoner6
....sigh...
prisoner6
I read it somewhere but can't remember the source. Maybe another FReeper can confirm or refute.
What guns did Rudy grab in NYC? I lived there his entire term, he was great, if not perfect.
Jeb is a Bush and while a good guy, too many Bushes will freak people out.
Hilly will be the nominee and even though she is a whackjon, menopausal senior citizens, spouse-swapping soccer moms, and their slutty college-aged daughters just adore her.
We need someone good, real good, especially in light of the next phases inthe war on terror. Put a Bush in and its the 'Bush Wars' in the mdia - that will stick. Put Rudy in and the bad guys will soil their undies.
Just the facts.
You speak for me as well.
I agree - but I think his useful thing will be joining the admin, maybe at Homeland Security, or maybe as AG (Ashcroft is an excellent AG but that would give Rudy 4 years of national spotlight).
The GOP can't be that stupid (well, ok, they sure can - I always tell anybody who whines about the 'Vast Right Wing Conspiracy' to look at the GOPers in congress and clearly they couldn't organize a vast right wing weekend barbecue, let alone a conspiracy) but clearly they have no legacy for Dubya in 2008. That must be remedied as soon as 2005 - Bush will shakup his Cabinet a bit, and Rudy (if he is anointed, as I suspect he is) will be a part of that. Other than that, Rudy runs against Spitzer for NY Gov in 2006 and wins, taking office in 07 and tied up as Gov of NY for 4-8 years, by then the shine will be off him.
Come on, what kind of smoke? Enquiring minds want to know.
I could not vote for a pro-abortion President. Just couldn't. And I think there are a lot who couldn't either.
Prisoner,
I like Dr Rice a lot also but her following seems to be largely based on the fact that she is an african american woman who hangs around with Republicans. It's premature and not very sophisticated. I agree, keep her prominent, as she is an asset to the admin, but the Cult of Condi needs to relax a bit. I mean, if I flipped ovrer ever black republican woman I have met, well, I would have flipped maybe only 3 or 4 times, but the jump into the sack would have been too much too soon, and probably not nearly as good in real life as it is in my imagination. ;-)
PS - Be sure and notice my longtime tag line! :-)
Well said. I like Dr Rice too and would likely support her if she ever ran, but the Cult of Condi, to me anyway, is largely based on a fantasy-fulfillment reaction to having a black republican in our ranks.
Cooler heads must prevail. There really, in my judgement anyway, isn't much reason to cream over Dr Rice at this time. That's not to say there won't be, though.
Okay, you've said it. Is there some reason or is it just a hunch?
Bob Riley - Alabama - elected 2002
Frank Murkowski - Alaska - elected 2002
Mike Huckabee - Arkansas - elected 1996
Arnold Schwarzenegger - Cali - elected 2003 (Ineligible)
Bill Owens - Colorado - elected 1998
John Rowland - Connecticut - elected 1994
Jeb Bush - Florida - elected 1998
Sonny Perdue - Georgia - elected 2002
Linda Lingle - Hawaii - elected 2002
Dick Kempthorne - Idaho - elected 1998
Ernie Fletcher - Kentucky - elected 2003
Bob Ehrlich - Maryland - elected 2002
Mitt Romney - Massachusetts - elected 2002
Tim Pawlenty - Minnesota - elected 2002
Haley Barbour - Mississippi - elected 2003
Judy Martz - Montana - elected 2000
Mike Johanns - Nebraska - elected 1998
Kenny Guinn - Nevada - elected 1998
Craig Benson - New Hampshire - elected 2002
George Pataki - New York - elected 1994
John Hoeven - North Dakota - elected 2000
Bob Taft - Ohio - elected 1998
Don Carcieri - Rhode Island - elected 2002
Mark Sanford - South Carolina - elected 2002
Mike Rounds - South Dakota - elected 2002
Rick Perry - Texas - succeded 2000; re-elected 2002
Olene Walker - Utah - succeded 2003; never elected
James Douglas - Vermont - elected 2002
My and a fellow conservative pal would often joke that there must be many wide-eyed, square GOP staffers bopping around the white house, and upon seeing Dr Rice, get more wide-eyed and begin to poke and prod her to see if she is 'real' and not some hologram. "Wow! A real black woman working a serious job in a Repubilcan White House!!"
Maybe it isn't that funny, but much of Dr Rice's fan following, as far as I am concerned, is based on the same idea. She is black, a woman, and a Republican. A sure knockout punch! To be fair, I don't think any of those factors would make enough of a difference in the womens vote and in the black vote to make a significant difference. Sorry, just the (maybe warped) way I see things.
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