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Planted Lynx Fur In Habitat Survey Upsets Legislators bureacrats {Congress can be so easily led}
Associated Press ^ | Monday, December 31, 2001 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/31/2001 5:03:05 PM PST by expose

Planted Lynx Fur In Habitat Survey Upsets Legislators Associated Press

Monday, December 31, 2001 Lawmakers want an investigation into whether government wildlife biologists planted lynx fur in two national forests to make it appear that the animals were present so that people would be kept out.

The Forest Service and Fish and Wildlife Service are tracking the rare Canadian lynx to determine how many there are and where they live. Data from the four-year survey will be used to determine how best to protect the lynx, which is classified as "threatened."

During the 2000 sampling session, biologists planted three samples of lynx fur on rubbing posts in parts of the Wenatchee and Gifford Pinchot national forests in Washington state, areas not usually home to the lynx. Fur taken from such posts is used to indicate if lynx are in the area.

The seven biologists -- three from the Forest Service, two from the Fish and Wildlife Service and two from the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife -- admitted they planted the samples and said they wanted to test whether the lab could identify lynx fur.

The cats, 3 1/2 feet long and 40 pounds at their largest, prey on snowshoe hares. Efforts to protect lynx habitat are underway in 57 forests in 16 states.

None of the seven biologists remains in the lynx survey program. Six were reassigned, and one retired.

House Resources Committee Chairman James V. Hansen (R-Utah) and Rep. Scott McInnis (R-Colo.), chairman of the House forests subcommittee, called that "grossly inadequate punishment given the magnitude of this offense."

They said if it is found that the intent was to skew the study, the biologists should be fired.

"These offenses minimally amount to professional malfeasance of the highest order," the congressman wrote Dec. 18 in a letter to Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman and Interior Secretary Gale A. Norton, whose agencies administer the lynx program.

Some proposed changes to protect the lynx include limiting the thinning of forests to improve habitat for the snowshoe hare and to restrict snowmobiling and some other winter activities. But Hansen and McInnis want a review of all data collected through the program before any land management decisions are made.

Without additional scrutiny of the data, no assurances can be made that the "lynx recovery effort is grounded in science, rather than in the fraudulent behavior of unscrupulous field officers," Hansen and McInnis wrote.

Forest Service Chief Dale N. Bosworth said the fur fiasco is embarrassing but did not threaten the closure of any habitat to the public.

Fish and Wildlife Service spokesman Chris Tollefson said the agency is confident the lynx count has not been tainted.

"We don't believe that there was an intent to submit these results to skew the results of the survey, but it could have compromised the entire survey and forced us to do it all over again," he said.

Hansen and McInnis have asked the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, to look into the matter and will convene hearings early next year.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fur; lynx; lynxfur
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To: No More Gore Anymore

I understand your attempt at rationally de-fusing this situation,

THANK YOU!

however, you are wrong and illogical on a number of points.

1.) It is never OK to falsify data. The data was not identified as "control" during the testing. This is never OK - except for typical liberal junk science.

Agreed.

2.) If they were worried that the previous test found too many of this type animal, which was their premise, then the reason would have to be that the lab was mis-identifying a different type of fur as belonging to this species. Thus, you would send in bobcat fur, or whatever, that is similar, to see if the lab mis-identified this fur as the subject fur. In other words, their excuse is illogical, based on their premise that too many of the subject were initially found.

aHA! Good point. Hmmm... That does lower my opinion of the biologists even more. If they really were concerned about false positives, then they were really really stupid to test them with lynx hair. But since there were 7 of them from 3 different bureaucracies, having all of them do the same test, flawed in the same way, does not make sense, even if we assume the incompetent gravitate to gov't work. So that really does hurt the credibility of that version of the story, doesn't it? Hmmmmm...

81 posted on 01/01/2002 7:04:02 PM PST by jennyp
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To: Leisler
Yum, candian lynx, tasty

Oh yeah. they taste just like spotted owl if cooked right. LOL

82 posted on 01/01/2002 7:30:19 PM PST by zip
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To: RobertFrost;expose;editor-surveyor;MissAmericanPie
I think that linked article from the Seattle Times is just an attempt to save-face for the scientists... this has obviously gotten too mixed up to make sense of.

Which makes it glaringly apparent that environmental scientists and organizations will never be known for following credible science. With messes & scandals like this one, it is obvious that you can never trust anything they say.

42 posted on 12/31/01 9:03 PM Pacific by RobertFrost [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: RobertFrost "just an attempt to save-face for the scientists..." Sorry, but they're not scientists, they're liars. 43 posted on 12/31/01 9:06 PM Pacific by editor-surveyor

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: expose Why are they not fired right now? 44 posted on 12/31/01 9:06 PM Pacific by MissAmericanPie

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: RobertFrost Environmental scientists will do anythings for there Agenda 45 posted on 12/31/01 9:07 PM Pacific by expose

These posts are worth repeating. They are exactly on target.

Thanks Robert Frost, expose, editor-surveyor, and MissAmericanPie

83 posted on 01/01/2002 7:42:54 PM PST by zip
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To: zip
Let's keep this bumped if we can.
84 posted on 01/01/2002 7:48:09 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: zip
bump
85 posted on 01/01/2002 8:03:05 PM PST by expose
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To: zip,MissAmericanPie
Author under fire on accuracy of gun research
86 posted on 01/01/2002 8:20:30 PM PST by expose
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To: jennyp
Why do you have to go up a mountian, to the scratch posts, pull the hair out of a envelope, put the false lynx hair on it, take it off the post, put in in another envelope, go back down the mountian, and submit the "sample"? Wouldn't it make more sense to just hand in various envelopes, false and positive, and compare the lab results with what you know? The behaviour of these guys is like someone caught in a prostitution sting who says they were doing "research". Yeah, right.
87 posted on 01/02/2002 2:00:03 AM PST by Leisler
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To: meadsjn
Yea, well millions of lumbermen, millmen, truckers and townspeople have lost their jobs and lumber has gotten expensive nationwide, but look on the positive side. Losts of rich, liberal, urban professionals have been able to buy vacation homes and more acreage now that rural economies and cultures have collapsed. Men can now get jobs cleaning rooms and serving sushi.
88 posted on 01/02/2002 2:06:53 AM PST by Leisler
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To: expose
gubmint science bump.
89 posted on 01/02/2002 6:35:49 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: jennyp
Re:#80. Your point about two conflicting sets of facts is valid. It appears from posts on this thread that your position that there are two conflicting explanations for the actions of these "scientists" is reasonable.

So, we investigate, ok, maybe we will get the truth eventually.

In the meantime we can analyze the reports as a whole to see what we get in the field of logic. The report of planting Lynx hair specified an uncomplicated process that would result in large rewards in power and prestiege for those involved (assuming it went undetected). The report of a bungled control sample check of the lab is one of a very complicated and intricate series of coincidences that just happen to make innocent, earnest, scientists look like criminals.

Occam's Razor is a principle that holds that the most simple explanation is probably correct for any event. It seems that with every new version of this story from the "scientists", it gets more complicated. I can't PROVE it at this time, I CAN logic it.

90 posted on 01/02/2002 10:43:53 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot
freedom
91 posted on 01/02/2002 2:42:08 PM PST by expose
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To: expose
My Ma always said that you should get the beam outa your eye before you try to find the grain of sand in your buddy's eye.

Point is that corruption is rampant in Congress and they want to fire a fish and game person who may be telling the truth about a friggin wild cat. Anybody needs firin' it's that guy from NJ - Tourtuchelli.

92 posted on 01/02/2002 2:53:03 PM PST by sandydipper
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To: expose
Thanks for the flag. I pinged BOBWADE on this one also.
93 posted on 01/02/2002 7:25:10 PM PST by zip
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To: zip
thanks zip.

here's another one worth repeating:

Why do you have to go up a mountian, to the scratch posts, pull the hair out of a envelope, put the false lynx hair on it, take it off the post, put in in another envelope, go back down the mountian, and submit the "sample"? Wouldn't it make more sense to just hand in various envelopes, false and positive, and compare the lab results with what you know? The behaviour of these guys is like someone caught in a prostitution sting who says they were doing "research". Yeah, right.

87 posted on 1/2/02 3:00 AM Pacific by Leisler


Took the words right out of my mouth.

94 posted on 01/02/2002 7:59:03 PM PST by RobertFrost
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