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Refrigerator chemical ban may chill N.Y. economy, stakeholders say
timesunion.com ^ | May 2, 2024 | Raga Justin

Posted on 05/02/2024 4:37:07 PM PDT by lowbridge

Business groups are urging Gov. Kathy Hochul’s administration to delay regulations that would significantly restrict widely used coolant chemicals — a priority under the state’s sweeping climate law — that they say could wreak financial havoc on stakeholders ranging from grocery stores to hospitals.

The mandates have stoked concerns from trade groups ranging from the Business Council to the New York Farm Bureau. A broad coalition of business interests sent a letter to Hochul and the state Department of Environmental Conservation on Wednesday arguing that the state’s timeline is not feasible.

DEC’s proposed phaseout of chemical compounds known as “hydrofluorocarbons,” commonly found in cooling systems like refrigeration systems and  air conditioners, has dovetailed with similar federal policies meant to curtail their use. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency describes hydrofluorocarbons as extremely powerful greenhouse gases that can accelerate climate change, and has mandated a phaseout of the compounds by 2036. New York’s timeline for the same goal ranges from 2021 to 2034. 

They also say the state has not involved stakeholders in its decision-making, including operators of convenience and grocery stores and other business owners who will have to shell out millions to purchase new refrigeration and HVAC equipment.

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“The proposed regulations would require large scale retail food chains to reduce (hydrofluorocarbons), which equates to 2 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent per year, have no direct costs to consumers, and would not require consumers or businesses to replace existing products and equipment prior to the end of useful life,” Salka said. “According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, DEC’s proposal is estimated to help businesses reduce energy costs and will result in $288-to-$540 million in savings, while helping fight climate change.”

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Oh, who wants their food and medicine refrigerated anyways?
1 posted on 05/02/2024 4:37:07 PM PDT by lowbridge
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“DEC’s proposal is estimated to help businesses reduce energy costs and will result in $288-to-$540 million in savings, while helping fight climate change.”“

Holy smokes what a load of BS.


2 posted on 05/02/2024 4:44:44 PM PDT by gibsonguy ( )
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To: lowbridge

Go back to freon?


3 posted on 05/02/2024 4:45:01 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo ( )
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"...will result in $288-to-$540 million in savings"

Our Great and Good Benevolent Government is always saving me money. I've saved so much money because of all the good they have done to me that I'm broke.

4 posted on 05/02/2024 4:56:07 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

I’ve heard the new fangled coolant is flammable. Watch for home insurance rates to skyrocket.


5 posted on 05/02/2024 4:59:34 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT back in 2006)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

There’s also new crap coming down with septic systems. Gotta bury the leech field 3 times deeper, put a layer of mulch in there now, and watch the ground sink in the years that follow.
Is there anything the left isn’t destroying.


6 posted on 05/02/2024 5:01:01 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT back in 2006)
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To: lowbridge
“The proposed regulations would require large scale retail food chains to reduce (hydrofluorocarbons), which equates to 2 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent per year, have no direct costs to consumers, and would not require consumers or businesses to replace existing products and equipment prior to the end of useful life,” Salka said. “According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, DEC’s proposal is estimated to help businesses reduce energy costs and will result in $288-to-$540 million in savings, while helping fight climate change.”

Hahaha...when the cost to maintain or premature replace equipment skyrockets, the cost WILL be passed onto shoppers AKA consumers.

7 posted on 05/02/2024 5:01:25 PM PDT by matt04 ( )
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To: lowbridge

I know a way to use much less refrigeration...food irradiation. I wonder if the environazis would support that.


8 posted on 05/02/2024 5:03:14 PM PDT by rottndog (What comes after America?)
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To: George from New England

They are now using propane in many smaller units such as reach-in coolers, prep tables (like at Subway), and soda/beverage coolers.


9 posted on 05/02/2024 5:04:08 PM PDT by matt04 ( )
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To: George from New England

WHAT HOME INSURANCE???

THERE WILL BE NONE.


10 posted on 05/02/2024 5:04:23 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

A friend of mine worked for a short time in HVAC. The older guys reminder just carrying R-22 in the vans, now they carry R448, R407, R134a, R410a, R-1234yf and R-1234ze, etc. based on the use. What I was told was R-22 would work in anything except automotive, from massive supermarket systems either medium temp (dairy, produce, etc) or low temp (frozen, beer coolers) now what works in medium temp wont work in low temp, etc.


11 posted on 05/02/2024 5:10:57 PM PDT by matt04 ( )
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To: lowbridge
Only the finest beef jerky at Ruth's Chris Steak House.


12 posted on 05/02/2024 5:14:12 PM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT ELECTION is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
> Go back to freon? <

Or maybe go back to the ice man.


13 posted on 05/02/2024 5:14:32 PM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: lowbridge

This dangerous gas should be banned from all government buildings and vehicles, right now! Also, they need to stimulate the planet’s recovery by providing me with one billion dollars to invest in appropriate strategies. It’s the only way to save the planet. I predict that without the actions I propose, climate change will be irreversible in three weeks from now.


14 posted on 05/02/2024 5:17:41 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Colorado Doug

Is this similar to the creosote ban? The new crap they treat wood with rots in two yrs and kills any plants near it. Also dissolves nails so you have to use stainless steel or galvanized nails in it.


15 posted on 05/02/2024 5:20:07 PM PDT by oldasrocks
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To: matt04
. What I was told was R-22 would work in anything except automotive

I think back in the good old days, when car air conditioners blew really cold, they used R-22

16 posted on 05/02/2024 5:26:46 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: oldasrocks

Alot of what they use to treat lumber nowadays is Copper and Arsenic


17 posted on 05/02/2024 5:28:52 PM PDT by jpp113
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To: matt04

Propane is the basis for just about all of your refrigerants. (I work in a plant that makes/blends aerosol propellants and refrigerants) The different formulations, i.e. R22, R134a, 1234ze, 1233zd, etc., are just highly purified propane mixed with other hydrocarbons to get the desired specifications.


18 posted on 05/02/2024 5:29:23 PM PDT by Christopher
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To: lowbridge

Evidently NY doesn’t want you to cool things nor heat things (banning natural gas).


19 posted on 05/02/2024 5:32:19 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: George from New England

“Is there anything the left isn’t destroying.”

No kidding. I often think about how those bastards harangue us and mess with us every day of our lives. There is NO END to it.


20 posted on 05/02/2024 5:34:27 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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