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Lot of people keep voting for this because of orange bad man so...
1 posted on 01/29/2024 7:25:12 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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Here in Illinois we have more units of government than any other State including California.

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2 posted on 01/29/2024 7:28:25 AM PST by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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Property taxes are unconstitutional-—change my mind.

Also, since most problems or “crisis’” are from public schooling, I say we abolish public schools.

State taxes I’m fine with...
Federal income tax is a scam.


3 posted on 01/29/2024 7:28:32 AM PST by mikelets456
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The Republicans in Congress should try to send to the states a constitutional amendment that would cap middle class property taxation, such as:

Property tax on any residential property of less than 2799 square feet of finished space shall be no higher the 2019 dollar amount on the property, or for a newer or since resold property what a similar property in the same area would have been taxed at for 2019 if it lacked owner specific tax breaks, increased by 3% per calendar year since 2019 and by any percentage increase to its finished space.

Fighting for such a property tax cap now in Congress would add the electors of several deep blue states to Trump’s total and make Congress turn deep red come November.

Even devoted Democratic voters do not want to get taxed out of their homes.

How would schools get funded if property taxes are capped to 2019 scale levels? By higher sales taxation and by services taxation that is used in Florida in lieu of having a state income tax.

I don’t want to pay for schooling of the kids of the people pampering the well-to-do. The well-to-do need to pay for such schooling via service taxation.


4 posted on 01/29/2024 7:29:04 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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The Republicans in Congress should try to send to the states a constitutional amendment that would cap middle class income taxation along the lines of:

Federal income taxation of people with incomes within the range of 90% of the full-time federal civilian workforce [i.e. the middle class by income] shall not be at greater percentage rate burdens than in 2023.

[What about if there is a war? Federal civilian salaries can be temporarily compressed downward as may be needed so the entire upper middle class is temporarily slid out of cap range.]

Joe Biden has said he doesn’t want to raise taxes on (two) people making under $400,000.


7 posted on 01/29/2024 7:32:42 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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Most in new poll say they pay too much in taxes

Except Ukrainians, they say they are paid too much in taxes.

8 posted on 01/29/2024 7:34:02 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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But are they happy there aren’t any more Mean Tweets coming from the White House?


9 posted on 01/29/2024 7:37:58 AM PST by eyeamok
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I’m sure we would all be shocked at how much in various taxes we pay.

We directly see the income taxes withheld out of our paychecks.

So what about taxes we pay for gasoline, as an example? In some places over $1 a gallon of what you pay is simply paying various taxes on that gasoline. But those taxes are rarely broken out and listed on a gas pump.

What about all the sales tax you pay on everything you buy when you go shopping? I don’t think many people have a good handle on how much in taxes they pay every time they go shopping, and how much that adds up over the course of a year.

Homeowners get a property tax bill and can document that amount. Renters do not get a property tax bill but their rent is certainly higher than it would be otherwise because of the property tax that the landlord pays for that property.


10 posted on 01/29/2024 7:41:24 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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The government is so awash with money that literally wasting billions is no problem at all. Yes, taxes are too high.


14 posted on 01/29/2024 7:43:02 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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Most of us pay too much for too little in return. I'll be kind and say most, maybe not all, of the country is a shambles. Money and effort are not going to basic services. They are falling apart at the seams. Federal, State or Local none are meeting the expectation for good roads, good schools, law enforcement, fire protection or any of the other few basic expectations.

Name one thing the gooberment, any gooberment in this country, has made better or less expensive. Just one.

15 posted on 01/29/2024 7:47:35 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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The real problem is that the same people who complain about paying too much in taxes never confront the incumbent candidates about taxes and keep voting for them.


17 posted on 01/29/2024 7:54:28 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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The people who get “good value” pay little or no income taxes, and no property tax — just sales taxes on retail goods and fuel. Those without cars don’t even pay the latter directly.

One of the US’s huge political problems is that so many “voters” do not have to consider the personal cost of their selections (or if they consider it, they are voting for free lunch paid for by others). The seldom heard corollary to “No taxation without representation” is “No representation without taxation”.


21 posted on 01/29/2024 8:01:38 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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Ya....how about another 50% to cover Biden's border catastrophe..... American citizens pay for it all!
24 posted on 01/29/2024 8:07:08 AM PST by high info voter (Delivery )
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This is why there is a thriving cash-based economy where I live in So Cal.

Got a 20% discount and free desserts from a catering service for cash and also four new tires for cash, saved about $80 on the tires.

California. So little to no return for our tax dollars - it’s going to support a very large illegal and welfare population.


25 posted on 01/29/2024 8:10:26 AM PST by Bon of Babble (You Say You Want a Revolution?)
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Thank you for referencing that article ChicagoConservative27.

"Most in new poll say they pay too much in taxes"


Wake up patriots!

Paying too much in taxes is the long arm of the 16th Amendment (16A; direct taxes) at work.

"16th Amendment : The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

The 16th Amendment is repealable independently of corrupt Congress. Patrionts need to work with their new, Trump-supporting state lawmakers to get rid of 16A.

The 17th Amendment (17A; popular voting for federal senators) needs to disappear too.

Repealing 16&17A will effectively “secede” all the states from the unconstitutionally big federal government.

“Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattetive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves [emphasis added]. It seems to be the law of our general nature.” - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787)

Note that Congress is unconstitutionally spending your 16A taxes too.


27 posted on 01/29/2024 8:13:06 AM PST by Amendment10
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Most in new poll also want more spending, or at least don’t want spending cut. Polls basically show that people want something for nothing.


29 posted on 01/29/2024 8:18:17 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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Yuhp, ad most of the peope replying to this poll have all kinds of ideas about how much more the governement should spendon them.


33 posted on 01/29/2024 8:26:56 AM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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I’m just grateful I’m not getting all the government I’m paying for!


36 posted on 01/29/2024 8:38:03 AM PST by null and void (I identify as a conspiracy theorist. My personal pronouns are told/you/so.)
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About 60 percent of respondents said they believe the federal income tax is unfair

Less than 60% of Americans pay federal income tax at all.

39 posted on 01/29/2024 8:50:10 AM PST by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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* A military rated as “Weak”
* Hundreds of billions subsidizing EVs and other green scams
* Tens of billions subsidizing invaders from the south
* Twenty trillion on welfare and multi-generational chronic poverty
* An out-of-control government that hates its citizens and incarcerates them for no reason
* Utterly useless COVID lockdowns throwing the economy into a multi-year tailspin and destroying hundreds of thousands of businesses
* A militarized justice system that the incumbent uses to harass and prosecute his opponent

How can people say they don’t get value for their money?


44 posted on 01/29/2024 9:19:03 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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And they deserve it. Pure karma.


47 posted on 01/29/2024 9:55:07 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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