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Davis leads Simon in poll But California voters less than thrilled with choices
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 04/April 28, 2002 | John Wildermuth

Posted on 04/29/2002 8:05:39 AM PDT by gubamyster

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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1 posted on 04/29/2002 8:05:39 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster; ElkGroveDan; ErnestattheBeach; gophack
". Gray Davis Favorable 39% Unfavorable 50% No opinion 11% Bill Simon Favorable 28% Unfavorable 33% No opinion 39% "

These are the numbers that matter, IMHO. People already know Grayout. His unfavorables will be hard to change. Andecdotally, many 'Rats I know say they will not, or cannot, vote for him. Go Simon Go.....

2 posted on 04/29/2002 8:14:19 AM PDT by eureka!
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To: gubamyster
A 14% Davis lead. Either Simon's inhouse pollsters are screwing their polls up, since they show Simon leading, or are being dishonest with Simon.

If memory serves, Simon's inhouse polls show him with a 7% lead. Couple that with Davis lead in this poll and you have a 21% swing.

One, or both of the polls are way off and the accurate picture is not being presented.

3 posted on 04/29/2002 8:15:19 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
I'm worried, too. I think that the media, particularly the Los Angeles Times, are going to go full-bore after Simon and make sure Davis wins. Simon's not going to get a a fair shake from the media. He needs to get on the air, ASAP.
4 posted on 04/29/2002 8:18:19 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: Phantom Lord
Here's Simon's camp's take on what you say Click this thread...
5 posted on 04/29/2002 8:19:44 AM PDT by eureka!
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To: Phantom Lord
"One, or both of the polls are way off and the accurate picture is not being presented."

Yeah, it's this one. One look at Davis pulling 15% of Republicans made me laugh so hard I'll feel good the rest of the day.

50% negatives for an incumbant? Let's say it all together: Davis is un-re-elect-able!

Simon says: BUMP!

6 posted on 04/29/2002 8:24:34 AM PDT by Henchster
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To: gubamyster
A sitting governor running against a relative unknown has less than 50% of the vote with six months till the election!? If Davis is patting himself on the back, he's a fool - this is a horse race.
7 posted on 04/29/2002 8:36:31 AM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: gubamyster
There are a few key findings here that I think look bad for Davis. While Simon has his work cut out for him -- I don't think that his campaign assumed this would be an easy ride -- these numbers don't look all that hot for Davis:

1) Davis is at 43%. The recent public policy group poll (I forget the name, but it was a post on FR) had Davis at 41%. This shows that his support is a constant.

2) 50% of the people have an unfavorable impression while only 11% have no impression. His name ID is virtually 100% and half of everyone doesn't like him.

3) This poll is among all registered voters, not likely voters, which ALWAYS skews the numbers toward the Democrat (conservatives vote in a higher propensity than liberals of all parties).

4) Simon has a larger "no opinion/not heard of" which means that he has a better opportunity to get those people on his team: it's far harder to swing someone from "don't like you" to "like you" to "don't know" to "like you." Davis is DEFINITELY NOT LIKED.

5) Davis' Central Valley numbers are pitiful, and that's the largest swing area of the state.

6) The so-called "women's vote" ... Davis is only getting 43% which is EXACTLY his overall vote percentage in this poll. NO advantage on the women's vote. You would think that with all the "women's right to choose" crap he's been spewing, the women would be falling all over themselves for the opportunity to vote for a pro-abort: NOT HAPPENING!

There are lots of other things in this poll, but I think that these are the key points. TURNOUT IS EVERYTHING. Conservatives must be united for Simon and work to get him elected. We have a real opportunity to put in a real conservative. Personally, I don't know why he wants the job since Davis has run the deficit up to $22 billion (net loss of $35 billion) and is using smoke and mirrors to delude us into thinking that he's getting rid of the budget deficit. Simon is going to have a LOT to fix from Davis and the Democrats fiscal malfeasance. But I would rather than Simon fixing the problem than Davis raising taxes ... which is the FIRST thing he'll do in January IF he wins re-election and everyone knows it!

Go Simon! DUMP DAVIS!

8 posted on 04/29/2002 9:00:16 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: gubamyster
How in the world can CA elect a re-elect a governor with 50% unfavorability? Davis is doomed and his recent call for reparations should help Simon.

Bush is in CA today doing a couple of fundraisers for Simon. Simon is going to have to be front and center from here until November. The media is going to go after him hard so he needs his own mug out there all the time.

9 posted on 04/29/2002 9:05:57 AM PDT by Wphile
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To: Phantom Lord
I've seen four polls now, and Simon has a small lead in three of them.

I don't care what anybody says, this race is wide open. And I'd rather have unknown Simon's fav/unfav numbers than incumbent Gray-out's.

But I'd rather have Gray-out's war chest.

10 posted on 04/29/2002 9:06:09 AM PDT by Coop
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To: gubamyster
Simon has a chance to capitalize on this. He must get ads running quickly to increase his favorables now, not later. Otherwise, as this poll indicates, he's toast.
11 posted on 04/29/2002 9:45:06 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Phantom Lord
One, or both of the polls are way off and the accurate picture is not being presented.

The Field poll is the one with the problem. They are polling ALL ADULTS -- not likely voters, not even registered voters, but anyone who answers the phone.

Field are notoriusly inaccurate.

By the way the California Teachers Association Poll last week showed Simon 41% and Davis 37% -- and believe me they are not friends of Simon's.

12 posted on 04/29/2002 10:21:40 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: gubamyster
Looks like another stunning victory for the great conservative movement. Schundler Part 2, coming soon.
13 posted on 04/29/2002 10:59:22 AM PDT by paul544
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To: eureka!
These are the numbers that matter, IMHO. People already know Grayout. His unfavorables will be hard to change. Andecdotally, many 'Rats I know say they will not, or cannot, vote for him. Go Simon Go.....

Just as an aside, this is precisely why Hitlery will never be president, either.

14 posted on 04/29/2002 11:51:00 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
Thankfully.
15 posted on 04/29/2002 11:54:13 AM PDT by eureka!
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To: gubamyster
Someone explain to me just what happened to Simon's huge lead pointing to a Republican landslide just two months ago?
16 posted on 04/29/2002 11:54:14 AM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: Gophack; all
This poll is among all registered voters

Actually this stupid poll is not even of registered voters. It is a poll of ALL ADULTS. That would be anyone who is able to drag their knuckles across the carpet to the phone and answer it. No word if the person actually had to say "hello" or if a grunt would suffice.

17 posted on 04/29/2002 12:33:38 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: ElkGroveDan
Twice now you have claimed that this poll was not taken of likely voters, or even of registered voters. Can you tell us where your information came from, since it directly conflicts with what the article says?: "This survey was conducted between April 19-25, 2002 of 546 registered California voters likely to vote in November."
18 posted on 04/29/2002 12:59:41 PM PDT by drjimmy
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Davis leads Simon in poll (But California voters less than thrilled with choices)
19 posted on 04/29/2002 2:11:55 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: drjimmy
Field calls households at random and asks the person who answers if they are registered to vote and if they are likely to vote. Now most people -- from a good citizen standpoint -- will not admit that they aren't registered or that they hardly ever vote.

More sophisticated political pollsters call names from the voter registration database and they categorize how likely the person is to vote based upon how often they are recorded as voting in recent elections.

As I said, by leaving it up to the person who answers the phone to determine if they are registered and likely to vote, it becomes a poll of ALL ADULTS -- maybe not even that. I suppose a child with a deep voice could answer too.

20 posted on 04/29/2002 2:26:36 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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