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In the land of Reagan, GOP faces prospect of a shutout
http://www.csmonitor.com/ ^ | June 13, 2002 edition | By Daniel B. Wood | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

Posted on 06/12/2002 9:05:07 PM PDT by chasio649

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1 posted on 06/12/2002 9:05:07 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: chasio649
ouch!
2 posted on 06/12/2002 9:15:54 PM PDT by 7beuties
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To: chasio649
I read another article today where a poll showed Simon ahead by 8 points. What's going on here?
3 posted on 06/12/2002 9:16:30 PM PDT by wildbill
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YES...I read the same as you - 8 points ahead....what gives - or is this "propaganda"......HMMMMM
4 posted on 06/12/2002 9:19:10 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: wildbill
This is the future of our Republic with the continued flood of immigration.
5 posted on 06/12/2002 9:19:40 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: wildbill
A good example of media bias here. They are blind to the flaws of the stilted Field poll that surveyed ALL adults yet they will ignore the recently released poll that surveyed "likely voters" and shows Simon ahead by 8 points.
7 posted on 06/12/2002 9:27:57 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: chasio649
The latest evidence to play into this theory are the fortunes of Mr. Davis who, despite a rash of top-shelf – high- profile – bungles, is leading his Republican opponent by a huge margin in a top poll.

Notice the "top poll" is un-named. Anyone on this board heard of such a poll result? No, because it's fiction. This article is the first installment of Governor Davis' multi-million dollar propaganda campaign.

Simon may have a tough row to hoe till the election but i'm glad to see he has enough sense to reject advice from losers in the Riordan camp.

More reliable information can be found here:

Simon Leads Davis by 8 in Labor Poll

San Fran. Chronicle - Matier & Ross Column - June 12, 2002

FIRST STRIKE: After five days of "positive" ads, Gov. Gray Davis unleashed the first in what will likely be a series of attack ads on Republican opponent Bill Simon -- and with good reason.

There's a new poll floating around Sacramento that shows the embattled Davis trailing Simon by a whopping eight points.

The poll -- which was of likely voters and paid for by the Democratic- friendly Service Employees International Union -- found newcomer Simon at 42 percent to Davis' 34 percent.

8 posted on 06/12/2002 9:32:05 PM PDT by Grim
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To: Brett66
They are blind to the flaws of the stilted Field poll that surveyed ALL adults yet they will ignore the recently released poll that surveyed "likely voters" and shows Simon ahead by 8 points.

Doesn't matter.

A Simon win (plausible) without a mandate against Illegals (over George W. Bush's dead body) only puts off the day of reckoning.

Nevertheless, Freepers and Republicans to the north and to the east will spin this as "brilliant politics."

Their brand of cowardice has brought us to this.




9 posted on 06/12/2002 9:34:02 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: chasio649
I long ago abandoned California, the state of my birth, and literally headed for the hills. Voters who would normally vote Republican are leaving the state in droves for Nevada, Arizona, and points east. California's future is dismal and will stay ripe for Democrat demagogues who thrive on misery and despair.
10 posted on 06/12/2002 9:35:46 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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11 posted on 06/12/2002 9:39:37 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: goodnesswins
I saw the same 8 points ahead story - and I do think you have hit the nail on the head - it's the spin machine in action.

Everywhere Simon goes, he's mobbed. He's meeting weekly with all the important organizations within the state. I think he's got a good chance - primarily because Davis is continually shooting himself in the foot.

Remember, the dems favorite trick is to use PROJECTION. What they do is tell the opposite of the truth. In other words, if their guy is way behind, they will say it's the other way around. I do believe this is exactly what's going on. This method is used to disarm the opponent and cause them to become discouraged and stop supporting the repub candidate. So far, this has worked for them - but after 9-11, they don't seem able to pull this off anymore.

And ... I don't believe there is a Republican in California who would say such a thing about Simon (unless they're a RINO). The head of the RNC just met with Simon this past week. That wouldn't have happened if there was going to be a shutout. I believe Bush has told Mark to give Simon all the help he needs.

Also, I get e-mails from the Simon camp and they continue to count the President as someone who will return to California and support Simon at least 1 more time, and possibly 2 times.

12 posted on 06/12/2002 9:56:04 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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I think the poll is named :Mark DiCamillo, director of the California Poll.

Now this is interesting:

The poll was conducted April 19-24, both before and during two days of discussions about proposed church policies on sexual offenders between the pope and U.S. Roman Catholic cardinals in Rome.

Mark DiCamillo, director of the Field Poll, said there was no marked difference in the way respondents answered questions after the Rome meetings began.

``I think these views are pretty stable,'' DiCamillo said. ``California Catholics are much more progressive than the church's existing policies.''

So the same guy is director of both the Field Poll and The California Poll!

13 posted on 06/12/2002 9:56:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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14 posted on 06/12/2002 9:58:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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15 posted on 06/12/2002 10:01:18 PM PDT by Jen
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"What's he going to say without getting into trouble?" asks Berg "From water to transportation, to education, to the environment, to crime, he is on the wrong side of the issues from where most California voters are. This is no longer the state it used to be."

This is BS. So, this guy is implying that Davis is on the correct side of all these issues. Yeah, a lot of good that has done California! I don't buy this article at all. It totally contradicts the other article with the poll showing Simon 8 points ahead and only 34% approving of Gray Davis.

I sure wish I still lived in CA so I could work on Simon's campaign. It seems to me he is trying to raise money so he can compete with Davis's dough when the campaign heats up after Labor Day. It's summer now and people aren't paying attention to the political campaigns. Simon is right to lie low, build up his resources, and then go for it in the Fall. Go SIMON!

16 posted on 06/12/2002 10:03:41 PM PDT by Wphile
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I think this is a hit piece.
This poll is the wildly inaccurate Field Poll
under the name of the California Poll.

See post #13 above.

17 posted on 06/12/2002 10:05:35 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Info in post # 13 from here:

Poll: Californians critical of church

19 posted on 06/12/2002 10:08:25 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: chasio649
Although the article strongly implies otherwise, Asians are statistically as likely to vote Republican as Caucasians generally speaking. There is a strong streak of cultural conservatism in the Asian population, nevermind a strong dislike for the government taking their money for any reason (social programs aren't a terribly popular in that community).
20 posted on 06/12/2002 10:14:18 PM PDT by tortoise
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