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Christine update (Steele blames Christine supporters for loss of children!)
CTI ^ | 1/02/02 | E. Steele

Posted on 03/02/2002 11:37:17 AM PST by RGSpincich

CTIpresents a
Press Release from E. Steele attorney at law
An Update

January 7, 2002

Fast forward to:

Re: Brian and Ruth Christine & Oregon's Legalized Child Theft Ring -

Brian and Ruth still sit in jail in Oregon, held on what I consider to be exorbitantly unconstitutional bail in excess of half million dollars each. They just keep adding to the criminal charges, thus the statutory bail just keeps rising, due to each charge. This is what is known as "throwing the book at them."

The criminal actions have now been deferred into mid-2002, and are being consolidated. This is for the alleged kidnapping (I refuse to dignify the taking of one's own children as true kidnapping) at gunpoint. The gun is the real problem. Oregon's Measure Eleven minimum sentencing requirements really mandate an exceptionally stiff penalty against both parents. This is the result of so-called "tough on crime" initiatives - they set too wide a net and ensnare those, like Brian and Ruth, who should be dealt with in understanding and with leniency.

The termination-of-parental-rights trial (about the three oldest girls) is set for late next month and looks bad. The only bright spot is that Ruth's parents almost certainly will be the ones getting the three girls. They will then take them back home to England, of course.(Note-The Christines agreed to relinqish their parental rights in mid January. The necessary papers have been signed and the three oldest girls are expected to be adopted by Ruth's parents.)

Brian's public defender made an unfortunate statement to the press about cutting a deal and precipitated a flood of vituperation from the people in Grants Pass who were advising the Christines all along. They loudly accused all the Christine lawyers, including myself, of selling Brian and Ruth down the river in typical lawyer fashion. Sigh. But for those people advising this young couple, they wouldn't be in jail today, with their children living in two different states. They would be an intact family unit somewhere.

I agree that the legal system, especially in Oregon, is abysmal and needs a radical overhaul. However, I am not willing to sacrifice Brian and Ruth to that objective, particularly since it would be a futile sacrifice. Those people in Grants Pass really need to figure out that they are a part of the problem in some of these cases down there; an example of creating your own opposition.

About that "deal." Brian's case is so over-the-top that a deal seems pretty unlikely; he likely will be better off taking his chances with a jury. Ruth is a somewhat different story, since she did not actually wield any weapons and was not present when that happened, though conspiracy law sees her charged with the same offenses as Brian. A deal for her might be the best approach. Time will tell. A deal about the termination issue, especially since that is heard by a judge without a jury, seems the most likely and is viable only because of Ruth's parents being likely foster parents for the girls.

I'll keep you posted on this case, too, but as I said before: this is a really tough case to get a good result in, from here on out. We did well in getting the two youngest girls into the hands of Brian's mother, but that was because we were able to work within courts in other jurisdictions (Indiana and Montana). Oregon is furious over those two defeats and has pulled out all the stops on the remaining Christine cases, which are all solely within its own jurisdiction.

The contributions from many of the good people on this list (bless you, you know who you are) enabled us to pay for attorney fees and court costs in both Montana and Indiana, including hiring an Indiana law firm to finish the guardianship of Abbey Rose there. We fell a little short, but I made that up out of my own pocket and am confident that we will still see donations that will cover everything before we are done.


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To: Twodees
I see you're still salivating over the image of state social workers taking these children from their parents. Maybe you're doing more than salivating, given the morbid fascination this case apparently holds for you.

"Old-fart-syndrome" has obviously begun to cloud your ability to read and discern current events.

These "parents" relinquished rights to their children without so much as a whimper.

Now, even the Luddite Edgar Steele sees what frauds they are.

Maybe you ought to go back and review the facts of this situation.

Pulling a gun on unarmed people and stealing a vehicle sealed daddy goofball's fate.

The kids are better off with their grandparents.

21 posted on 03/02/2002 6:17:08 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: TruthWillWin
Really? Just cut&paste what I posted that sounds like the people you're accusing me of resembling. Actually, it's you who sound exactly like a whining little liberal who made the mistake of bothering me once. Why don't you mind your own business?
22 posted on 03/02/2002 6:18:17 PM PST by Twodees
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To: sinkspur
Sure, spinkie. Whatever you say.
23 posted on 03/02/2002 6:21:13 PM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
Still playing the horses ass, eh Mr. Edd?
24 posted on 03/02/2002 6:29:41 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: TruthWillWin
I wonder if Lightstream is going to initiate legal action against Steele?

I'll bet he threatened him with it... in a letter of not less than a thousand words. No paragraphs.

25 posted on 03/02/2002 6:34:14 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: sinkspur

Isn't the gun-pulling part one of the requisites for militia martyrdom? The very sound of one being unholstered in anger towards any government officer invariably brings cheering ideologues faster than muzzle velocity.


26 posted on 03/02/2002 6:42:14 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Twodees
Maybe you're doing more than salivating, given the morbid fascination this case apparently holds for you.

And what is your relationship with the Grant's Pass Anti- Government Glee Club? You seem to have this affinity towards them that prevents you from seeing the truth.

27 posted on 03/02/2002 6:43:45 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Twodees
It's amazing how fast the Wacko Contingent FR surfaces when a story on these lunatic "parents" is posted.
28 posted on 03/02/2002 7:14:41 PM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Twodees
Perhaps you can lend your continued support to the Christines and this is how: send them money for their jail accounts. It should transfer to their prison accounts when they're sentenced to the Big House. Inmates always need those few extras that the jail or prison does not provide.
29 posted on 03/02/2002 7:35:27 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: RGSpincich
I'll bet he threatened him with it... in a letter of not less than a thousand words. No paragraphs.

Punctuation was optional, too, I'd bet. But I'd give you even money that he used LOTS OF CAPS, rampant underlining and a plethora of exclamation points!!!!!

30 posted on 03/02/2002 7:39:11 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Twodees
Really? Just cut&paste what I posted that sounds like the people you're accusing me of resembling.

Okay, in italics below is from you earlier. This is textbook stuff from the training manual of the Grant's Pass Christine supporters.

I see you're still salivating over the image of state social workers taking these children from their parents. Maybe you're doing more than salivating, given the morbid fascination this case apparently holds for you. I suggest you seek professional help for your obvious mental illness. Something serious is definitely wrong with you.

31 posted on 03/02/2002 8:18:45 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
While this is riotuous it doesn't stop Dumb and Dumbest from throwing out his usual load of crap.

It stinks as much now as last summer unfortunately.

Was someone saying above that the Yates as in Andrea Yates were living on a bus? Could that possibly be true?

32 posted on 03/02/2002 11:01:43 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Catspaw
Perhaps you can lend your continued support to the Christines and this is how: send them money for their jail accounts.

They won't. The Christines have been abandoned.

33 posted on 03/02/2002 11:03:26 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
From Steele's letter:

Brian's public defender made an unfortunate statement to the press about cutting a deal and precipitated a flood of vituperation from the people in Grants Pass who were advising the Christines all along. They loudly accused all the Christine lawyers, including myself, of selling Brian and Ruth down the river in typical lawyer fashion. Sigh. But for those people advising this young couple, they wouldn't be in jail today, with their children living in two different states. They would be an intact family unit somewhere.

34 posted on 03/02/2002 11:15:44 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
"But for those people advising this young couple, they wouldn't be in jail today, with their children living in two different states."

Steele got that right.

35 posted on 03/02/2002 11:21:06 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I haven't had the stomache to get involved in any of the Yates threads but Catspaw and alisasny say that it has been mentioned on at least one of those threads.
36 posted on 03/03/2002 4:07:55 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: justshutupandtakeit
They lived in a camper (don't know if it was a converted school bus--or I can't remember because I've only had one cup of coffee) for a few years, ending in 1999. I'll try to find it later. It did come up in a Yates thread on Thursday or Friday.
37 posted on 03/03/2002 4:42:46 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Pick through these threads (one has over 600 posts) for comments on the Yates' living in a school bus:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/637758/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/636751/posts

39 posted on 03/03/2002 4:52:28 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Illbay
Seem to remember you going a few rounds with the Christine supporters from Grants Pass. Thought you might like to see what the Christines' attorney has to say about them now.
40 posted on 03/03/2002 5:06:51 AM PST by RGSpincich
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