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Kill a Jew for Allah
National Review ^ | 3/22/02 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 03/22/2002 6:09:26 AM PST by vrwc54

I recently got a long, carefully composed e-mail from a reader, who begged me to circulate it among "other opinion-formers." It laid out a plan for peace in the Middle East. The writer, obviously an intelligent and well-informed person, had composed the e-mail with great care. With some passion, too — he really wants to find a solution to the Israel-Arab problem. Here was a public-spirited person doing his citizenly best to promote an idea that, he fervently believed, would put an end to the horrors.

And what was that idea? In a nutshell: The U.S. should lean hard on Israel to abandon the Jewish settlements in Arab land — i.e. beyond Israel's pre-1967 borders. These settlements (my reader argued) were the root cause of all the strife. Closing them down would remove the main casus belli; and the good faith shown by this act would open the eyes of the Arabs to the fact that peace with Israel is possible. The logjam would be broken.

I don't know what to say to people like this. Obviously they are decent, good citizens. Obviously they are trying their best — trying to be constructive, to give some hope to the world. How do I tell them what I feel? Which is, that they are floating in orbit between Uranus and Neptune — inhabiting some place that does not touch the real world at any point.

Look: Possibly there would be some abstract justice in closing down the settlements, I don't know. I don't see it myself, I must admit. Why should Jews not live among Arabs? Lots of Arabs live in Israel, and do very well there. There are rich Israeli Arabs; there are Israeli-Arab pop stars and comedians; there are Israeli-Arab intellectuals, teachers, writers, businessmen, athletes. Why, when the whole thing gets sorted out, should there not be Jews living in Arab territory — as there were for centuries past? What, exactly, is wrong with the settlements? I don't see it.

But, okay, let's suppose there is some valid moral objection to the existence of the settlements; and let's suppose my reader's plan were to be carried out, and all the settlements were removed, their populations transferred back to metropolitan Israel, their buildings razed, their fields ploughed with salt. Does anybody think it would make a damn bit of difference? There was no such thing as settlements, no such thing as "occupied territories," before the 1967 war. There were no such things in 1960, for example, when Adolf Eichmann was abducted from his hiding-hole in Buenos Aires by Israeli secret agents, an event recorded by Saudi Arabia's principal government-controlled newspaper as: "ARREST OF EICHMANN, WHO HAD THE HONOR OF KILLING 6 MILLION JEWS".

The problem of the Middle East is not the settlements. It is not this piece of land or that piece. It is not the Golan Heights or East Jerusalem or Temple Mount. It is not oil, or land, or water, or history, or geography, or metaphysics. The problem is in plain sight. You know what the problem is, and so do I. The problem is that the Middle East hates the Jews.

I say "the Middle East" because I don't know any more precise way to say it. You can't say "the Arabs" (though of course the Arabs hate the Jews more than anyone), because the Iranians and the Pakistanis and the Berbers of North Africa hate the Jews too, and they are not Arabs. You can't say "the Muslims". That is a lot closer, I think, and there surely cannot be much doubt that institutional Islam is riddled with Jew-hatred. Still, Malaysia is a Muslim country, and they don't hate the Jews, except in a go-along, pro forma sort of way, to keep on good terms with the Saudis and Gulf Emirs.

And I am sure, before you write to tell me, that lots of people in the Middle East don't hate the Jews. Lots of Arabs, millions probably, don't hate the Jews. Probably lots of non-Arab Muslims don't hate the Jews, either. Yet it's hard to avoid the impression, from reading the MEMRI translations, from looking at the kinds of things taught in schools all over the Middle East (and in Islamic schools here in the U.S.A. — see below), from listening to the pronouncements of Middle East politicians (remember the Syrian foreign minister explaining to the Pope — to the Pope! — that: "When I see a Jew in front of me, I kill him"?) and from random conversations with New York cab drivers, that visceral, murderous Jew-hatred is awfully widespread among Arabs, Pakistanis, Iranians, and North Africans. Awfully widespread.

In between getting that e-mail and answering it, I did two unrelated things, by way of my daily work. One was to prepare an editorial snippet for the print National Review about Islamic schools here in the U.S., based on a long study in the Washington Post of February 25th. There are estimated to be between 200 and 600 private Islamic day schools in the U.S., with up to 30,000 students in attendance. They use textbooks imported from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. One in use at the Islamic Saudi Academy in suburban Virginia instructs readers that a sure sign of the Day of Judgment will be that Muslims will fight and kill Jews, who will hide behind trees that say: "Oh Muslim, Oh servant of God, there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come here and kill him." School authorities did some fast damage control when the Post confronted them (as the Saudis are doing over the now-famous Blood Libel article). The textbooks are in process of being replaced with special versions more suitable for American students, they assured us, with the kill-a-Jew-for-Allah stuff left out. Presumably that stuff remains untouched back home in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Iran, Libya,... Their kiddies will get the right message, you can be sure: "What do you mean, you don't hate Jews? Look, even the blessed trees hate them!"

The other thing I did was read Jeffrey Goldberg's article about Saddam Hussein in The New Yorker (titled "The Great Terror" in the 3/25/02 issue).

"Iraqi dissidents agree that Iraq's programs to build weapons of mass destruction are focused on Israel. 'Israel is the whole game,' Ahmad Chalabi, the leader of the Iraqi National Congress, told me. .... "[Saddam] thinks he can kill one hundred thousand Israelis in a day with biological weapons....' Students of Iraq and its government generally agree that Saddam would like to project himself as leader of all the Arabs, and that the only sure way to do that is by confronting Israel."

Seems to me, from what I read and hear, that those students are quite right: That by "confronting Israel" via killing a hundred thousand Israelis in a day, Saddam would win the hearts of the entire Arab world, and of the Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghans and North Africans, too. (Does Hamid Karzai, Washington's new darling, hate Jews? Has anyone asked him?) I am sure Saddam himself believes this to be the case, and he is, with all his endearing little character flaws, a man who knows something about the Arab mentality.

It is not too difficult to envisage a plan by which the spoken grievances of the Arabs against Israel could be addressed, and some compromise struck. The chancelleries of the world — including Israel's — are in fact full of such plans, drawn up with loving care by legions of diplomats, experts, politicians, ambassadors, scholars and private do-gooders like my reader, across decades of time. In an atmosphere of goodwill, and genuine desire for a solution, the Palestine circle could be squared. You'd just have to pull one of those plans down from the shelf, blow the dust off it, and say: "Let's take this for a starting point, shall we?" The circle is not going to be squared though — not by George W. Bush, not by my e-mail pal with his elaborate scheme to shut down the settlements, not by another round of "shuttle diplomacy," not by any amount of work on a "peace process". It isn't going to be, because there is no goodwill, and no real desire on the part of Israel's enemies for a solution. Or rather, there is a widespread desire for only one solution — the extinction of Israel and the driving out, or mass killing, of the Jews. That's what they want, the Middle East; that's all they want.

I don't think we should be sending diplomats to the Middle East. I think we should be sending teams of psychiatrists. This is a diseased culture, a sick culture. Go back to that disgraceful recycling of the Blood Libel in the Saudi press. Do you think anyone in that newspaper's readership thought there was anything odd about it, anything deplorable about it, anything untrue about it? I don't think so. To the newspaper readers of Saudi Arabia, it was routine stuff, a statement of the obvious. If MEMRI hadn't brought it to the attention of the civilized world, do you think the Saudi authorities would have bothered about it? Do you think, even now, they really have a clue what all the fuss is about? Of course the Jews use gentile blood to make their cookies. Doesn't everyone know that? We'd best pretend to be shocked, though. Those Americans are so-o-o sensitive!

We are dealing here with people who are, not to put too fine a point on it, nuts. The Arabs, the Iranians, the Pakis, the Libyans: they are nuts, the great majority of them. Nuts. Not playing with a full deck. Not too tightly wrapped. One brick short of a load, one coupon short of a toaster. The smoke not going all the way up the chimney. Not quite 16 annas to the rupee. Nuts.

Is there anything we can do about it? Only what Peggy Noonan told us to do in her brilliant Wall Street Journal piece last week: Do what you do when you find yourself in a roomful of glittering-eyed lunatics down at the local funny farm. Keep smiling, talk softly, don't make any sudden moves, keep nodding and smiling, and keep a tight hand on the stun gun in your pocket. The Middle East contains three hundred million people, and most of them are crazy as coots. Glad I don't live there.



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To: ThreeOfSeven
Fine. Let Israel and the Arabs conclude a just peace and then neither side will be able to use the conflict as an excuse for neglecting other problems.

I am in favor of this as well. Lets get rid of the excuses, and see who the real animals are.. I know who I would have my money on..

101 posted on 03/22/2002 9:42:00 AM PST by Paradox
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To: vrwc54
I don't understand why there is such hate. These people are not human - they are animals that believe all Jews should be killed...........
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102 posted on 03/22/2002 9:42:18 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: BenF
I also forgot to say: You are proving my point by asking that Islam is full of nonsense, but Judaism is not? That also indicates that you are not Christian either, otherwise, you would have said: Islam is bad but Christianity and Judaism are good? The reality is, ALL are good, just don’t take them too seriously. These are bunch of desert people writing codes of conducts that depicts their life thousands of years ago. Good, that was needed to compel people to be nice to one another. Now people must learn to coexist, and reject the sense of superiority, or the idea that God loves more than you, or you going to burn if you don't believe!!!
103 posted on 03/22/2002 9:46:48 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
One of the prayers from the Jewish Talmud for boys to pray, thank god I was born a boy, not a girl, or a slave, or a retard?

Not at all. There is a prayer in the siddur, the daily prayer book, thanking G-D for not having been born with the responsibilities of a woman (much greater and of a more serious consequence than those of a man), a slave (obvious intent), or a heathen (again, obvious intent).

Now I am not a scholar in the Jewish religion, but that is what I read somewhere a few years ago.

Perhaps what you read was incorrect or you remember incorrectly.

I imagine, even if that is correct, Jewish believers are too smart to keep hanging on such stupidity.

Hopefully, I have educated you as to the reality of what is said.

Other things in the old testament deal with how unclean people who work in funeral businesses, or women who have their period,

Again, you are incorrect. There are Jews in the funeral business. What you are referring to is the ritual cleaning procedure which Jews follow after contact with a dead body. While it is a ritual, the health benefits should be obvious. Similarly, the prohibition of intercourse during a woman's menses also has health benefits.

or having yeast in bread,

I have to assume that you have no idea what you're talking about on this one since I have no idea. The closest guess I can make is that you may be referring to Matzoh.

....Now most of my Jewish friends do not take any of these things seriously.

That they do not take "these things" seriously has no meaning. If they are as ignorant as you are regarding Jewish culture, I don't blame them for not taking Judaism seriously.

In the same way Christianity is loaded with lots of nonsense that modern Christians learned to ignore. For example, more than 50% of Christian Women would not outlaw abortion despite of the bible commanding from them “do not kill”!

Again, your ignorance is showing. While I cannot speak to Christianity or the stand on abortion, the commandment is "Thou shalt not commit murder". It is substantially different from "killing".

I recommend you learn more about a subject before you post.

104 posted on 03/22/2002 9:56:53 AM PST by BenF
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To: crystalk
Can you tell me where Christians were specifically told to eliminate Muslims?
105 posted on 03/22/2002 10:03:27 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Wonder Warthog
My concept goes like this: let us say I open a church, I preach about Jesus, but the guy across the street has a church too, and he preaches about Jesus too. How do I retain my followers, or even increase my market share. If I say to my parish that the guy across the street has a good church and his preaching is just as good, I will be shooting myself in the foot?

Therefore, by definition, I must tell my people that they are special, they are not as stupid as these guys who believe that God is a cow! These other idiots who worship statues of Mary? or these Jews will never go to heaven without Jesus, or we Jews are God chosen people, even though most of us don't even believe in him?

I hope I am making myself clear? I am simply saying that religion if taken too seriously is like the soccer fans who take their stupid game so seriously that they kill each other if they loose a game!

106 posted on 03/22/2002 10:07:19 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
You are proving my point by asking that Islam is full of nonsense, but Judaism is not?

I never said "full of nonsense". Islam, in particular Suha 9, is full of admonitions about the Jews. You will not find anything similar in Judaism. That's all.

That also indicates that you are not Christian either, otherwise, you would have said: Islam is bad but Christianity and Judaism are good?

I am not saying one is good and one is bad. I am a Jew and thus more familiar with Judaism than other faiths. However, I have read the Koran and Christian scriptures. While I will not make any good vs. bad judgements, I will tell you what I've read in the Koran and let you draw your own conclusions. If you don't want to believe me, read it yourself. That being said, Judaism is a good religion for Jews. Whether the other faiths are good for their adherents is not a judgement I am willing to make.

The reality is, ALL are good, just don’t take them too seriously.

Since you have already proven your ignorance of Judaism, how can you say that it is good? You know little about it. That being the case, how can you advise not to take it seriously? Shouldn't you know what you are talking about before offering such advice?

These are bunch of desert people writing codes of conducts that depicts their life thousands of years ago.

Wrong again. I realize that you don't believe in G-D or that He gave Laws to the Jewish people, but whether you believe or not, these "codes", e.g., not to commit murder, were written for all time, not just "thousands of years ago".

Good, that was needed to compel people to be nice to one another.

People still need to be compelled to be nice to one another.

Now people must learn to coexist, and reject the sense of superiority, or the idea that God loves more than you, or you going to burn if you don't believe!!!

Because you said so? No thanks. Judaism teaches that Jews are not superior to anyone and that G-D does not "love us more" simply because we're Jews. And it certainly doesn't teach that we are going to "burn" if we don't believe. As to what the other faiths teach...well, you should study those faiths first and advise later because before you begin to advise others you really should know what you're talking about first. You obviously don't.

107 posted on 03/22/2002 10:08:18 AM PST by BenF
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To: philosofy123
How do I retain my followers, or even increase my market share. If I say to my parish that the guy across the street has a good church and his preaching is just as good, I will be shooting myself in the foot?

From what I've read about Christianity, "retaining followers" and "increasing market share" for one particular church is not what it's SUPPOSED to be about.

Therefore, by definition, I must tell my people that they are special, they are not as stupid as these guys who believe that God is a cow! These other idiots who worship statues of Mary? or these Jews will never go to heaven without Jesus, or we Jews are God chosen people, even though most of us don't even believe in him?

But that's not the way it's supposed to work. Granted, there are those who do these things. So are we to blame the faith for those who misinterpret it - even if they do so deliberately? How do you feel about a Mother Theresa, for example?

I hope I am making myself clear? I am simply saying that religion if taken too seriously is like the soccer fans who take their stupid game so seriously that they kill each other if they loose a game!

Religion is supposed to be a way of life, not a game. Your analogy is seriously flawed.

108 posted on 03/22/2002 10:13:10 AM PST by BenF
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To: philosofy123
Let's say I am a Marxist or some other species of Materialist, utterly convinced of my own correctness. I suppose any argument I made would be based in Materialism and would presuppose the importance of things like "market share."
109 posted on 03/22/2002 10:17:20 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: veronica
ping!!
110 posted on 03/22/2002 10:20:20 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Dec31,1999
Shhhhhhhhhh.... these are supposed to be top secret scriptures from the Surah that we arent supposed to know...
111 posted on 03/22/2002 10:33:51 AM PST by smith288
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To: Dec31,1999
Shhhhhhhhhh.... these are supposed to be top secret scriptures from the Surah that we arent supposed to know...
112 posted on 03/22/2002 10:33:51 AM PST by smith288
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To: philosofy123
No, if there is two churches preaching the same word of Jesus and God, then they are both celebrated. It has NOTHING to do with market share.
113 posted on 03/22/2002 10:38:02 AM PST by smith288
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To: Dog Gone
In the year 1095, and subsequent years, when Pope Urban II and his successors preached and sent out, the First Crusade.

By extension, since Christians spiritually are adoptees into Israel, even those who are not partly of Jewish descent anyway, also share in the command to have war against Amelek from one generation to another, and now in the End of Days at last we should have the power to completely eliminate him.

The End of Days began in (2240-295), or 1945. That was the exact year in which the means of our at last getting rid of Amelek became available to us. If we had had more faith, and been willing to fight the Lord's battles, we would have used it immediately and the world would have been a much better place today!

Praise the Lord, and pass the nukes.

btw, the expression "end of days"=ketz ha-yamim, has numerical value of 295 as all Hebrew words & phrases do have a numerical equivalent. This is subtracted from 2240, when the calendar ends, to give the Gregorian date when the EOD began.

114 posted on 03/22/2002 11:25:13 AM PST by crystalk
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To: philosofy123
I think a valid case can be made that Islamic theocracies are inherently backward and that unless fundamental changes are made with respect to education, individual rights, democracy, etc that they will make only limited and incremental advancements and more likely will fall farther behind.

Read the Bill of Rights, the foundation of course, which is based upon biblical Christian values, and see if the equivalent exists in Islam. IMHO, either the Muslim people insist on a Renaissance or someone external will force it upon them. Unfortunately the later is more likely, and the pain to all will be quite high.

115 posted on 03/22/2002 11:46:43 AM PST by schu
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To: crystalk
Well, thanks for that explanation. I doubt many Christians today feel that they're obliged to follow the admonition of a Pope who has been dead for a thousand years, but some might keep track of those sorts of things. Of course, looking in the Bible for specific admonitions to eliminate moslems would be pointless since Islam didn't arise until several hundred years after it was written.

I'm not much into eschatology, although I'm passingly familiar with the EOD line of reasoning. I think using it to argue that Harry Truman should have nuked the Islamic world in 1945 is a bit of a stretch, but we've already established that you and I aren't really in agreement in general on this matter.

I do thank you for your explanation, however.

116 posted on 03/22/2002 11:54:19 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
47 or 48 would have been nice.
117 posted on 03/22/2002 12:15:14 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
LOL. You never give up.
118 posted on 03/22/2002 12:17:16 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: philosofy123
"I am simply saying that religion if taken too seriously is like the soccer fans who take their stupid game so seriously that they kill each other if they loose a game!"

You can take any religion as seriously as you like, but it will only become dangerous when it manages to garner sufficient worldly power to exercise the prerogatives of a state (i.e. armed might). As long as the state remains neutral toward all religions, there is no problem--as soon as ANY ONE religion gains sufficient power to suppress others, the problems start.

119 posted on 03/22/2002 12:43:34 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: anniegetyourgun
"he worships himself"--my guess, he just worships what goes on between his ears, all day long, the constant soliloquy that'd drive anyone listening bonkers...

In the interest of full disclosure, I dated a philo major briefly in college.

120 posted on 03/22/2002 12:59:45 PM PST by Mamzelle
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