Evangelicals and Jews Together - An Unlikely Alliance

The National Review ^ | 4/5/02 | Rod Dreher

[STD]

Pseudo-Ephram preached Rapture in 160 AD

[OldFriend]

When PJB uses the term 'Amen Corner' he is referring to those who support Israel! And it is meant to be derogatory!

[wardaddy]

I'll bump that.

[berned]

I respectfully disagree with you about the rapture. I believe in pre-trib. Every pastor and preacher I respect teaches pre-trib, but some good teachers believe as you do. I guess we won't know for sure till it's too late to argue about it.

I believe there will be many non-believers who will become saints DURING the Tribulation, and will pay with their lives to be saved.

[Shermy]

Since the 1948 war, the once-sizable Christian population has dwindled to a mere two percent of the three million Palestinians living in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem. Most of them have emigrated to the West.

And with Palestinian independence you can expect all of them to leave in short time.

[crystalk]

While to this author, as to so many, the obvious dependency of Dispensationalism upon a particular scenario that involves Israel in the final events, "explains" their very strong support of Israel--

What the author is missing, is that those of us who are NOT dispensational, and who do NOT have thus such an open-and-shut idea of what God is going to do before Messiah comes--

ARE STILL VERY SURE THAT MESSIAH IS COMING,---

---THAT GOD IS DOING, AND IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO SOMETHING, INVOLVING ISRAEL AND HIS HISTORIC PEOPLE---

AND THAT THE CHRISTIAN AND JEW ARE TO BECOME ONE "STICK" in God's hands, in the last days, to strike His enemies and ours, the Muslims and other heathens.

Thus ALL Christians, who actually think God is doing or going to do anything in this world, are agreed.

NOT JUST DISPENSATIONALISTS, and NOT EVEN JUST (imminent) ADVENTISTS, BUT ALL CHRISTIANS!

[Bobby777]

I would generally agree ... Zech 12 shows apparently all nations coming against Israel ... this is not the political position to be in (i.e., against Israel) when Rev 19 occurs ... obviously there's a Faith component there as well ... FReegards ...

[ladyinred]

I don't find Jews and evangelicals an unlikely alliance. We share the same faith actually. The Jewish people are the ones who passed down the Bible to us, and we believe in the same God of Abraham.

[mcsparkie]

It is a sad thing, but most Jews regard (Evangelical) Christians as even more wacky than Moslems. It is hard to believe that "Palestinian" Christians would root for the Moslems. Don't they realize that they are going to be next, after the Palestinians exterminate the Israelis. First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.

The Jews need to be more receptive to the support of Christians.

[aimhigh]

Romans 11 answers the article pretty well. In fact, if you read Romans 11:15 carefully and in context, you will see that that rapture can't occur until the Jews come to Christ.

[mcsparkie]

"Dispensationalist script" = Bible

[mcsparkie]

The "palestinians" themselves contradict every premise they claim to hold. In particular, their "respect" for holy sites is clearly negated by their very current activities to despoil every site in the Holy Land that is revered by Christians and Jews alike. In Bethlehem and Hebron, they are rushing to raise up their despicable mosques, so then they can cry "holy". That they hold nothing holy, Abraham in particular (as far as his life in the land of Israel). There is nothing holy or important to Moslems in that whole land. Check out the histories on this, it is true. Mohammed himself repudiated the whole Moslem myth about Jerusalem.

They clearly do not respect the holy sites, so do not respect theirs. They do not respect peace, don't give them peace. They do not respect the right to land, don't give them land.

[JeepInMazar]

The only problem with Dispensationalism is the idea of the Rapture. There is only ONE Second Coming, not two. Christians will go through the end times and will be on earth when Christ returns. The Pre-trib Rapture is a dangerous myth. Christians will suffer, but will triumph through Christ.

Dispensationalism does not require a belief in a pre-trib rapture. Most dispensationalists are probably pre-trib in their views but many are post-trib. Your problem is not with dispensationalism, it is with the pre-trib rapture position.

[majordivit]

Veronica, small mistatement there. I am not sure Jews are more supportive of Israel than Evangelical Christians.

Pat Robertson is a born-again Christian who fervently promotes his religious beliefs. But he has never intolerantly demanded that Jews abandon their religion or their eternal covenant with G-d. Indeed, Robertson has used his national Christian television and radio broadcasts to staunchly support Israel. In fact, Robertson has frequently criticized the self-hating Jewish rulers of Israel for giving away their tiny country.

In this respect, Robertson adopts the role of effectively being "more Catholic than the Pope," or in this case, "more Zionist than the Jews."

What an irony! Robertson, a non-Jew, sees the lunacy of Israeli territorial surrender while even our so-called Orthodox "rabbis" do not speak out against the abomination of Israeli retreat.

Robertson does not count demons like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Jesse Jackson among his friends.

Robertson always lobbies on behalf of Israel and against her Arab Muslim Nazi enemies. Robertson has made it clear that he does not believe that any "peace" with Israel's Islamic Nazi foes is possible.

Jerry Falwell has also spent a lifetime warning Gentiles that America will face destruction unless she supports Israel. He has never been involved in intolerant missionary activity aimed at robbing Jewish souls, and has always shown the utmost respect for the Jewish faith.

Falwell, like Robertson, rejects as preposterous the sick Jewish notion of "peace" with Islamic Nazis.

Falwell was courageously in the forefront of exposing the diabolical pig from Arkansas who polluted the Oval Office.

And so Falwell is a true Zionist in a generation when the Jews themselves are not. And he is a true patriot in a generation when so many Americans approved of any bestial crime by Clinton.

What is needed now is a Jewish voice on national television that can buttress the Robertson-Falwell message of supporting Biblical Zionism. If JTF had the resources it needed to be on national television, it would ignite a spiritual rejuvenation in both America and Israel that would save both nations.

The above excerpt was taken from a permanent feature article from JTF.org entitled "Gentiles: Decide Your Future Now!"
(Originally published on January 20, 1999)

[JeepInMazar]

Any person who insists on calling himself by titles such as "Right Reverend" or the "Most Reverend" doesn't understand or believe in the fact that there is only one who is reverend. I have no use for religious Christians who insist on such titles.

By the way, I am a licensed minister who refuses to use the title Rev. When I speak in various churches I ask them to just print my name or if they want to use a title they are to simply use Mr.

[SauronOfMordor]

Reformed Jewery in America is dying, primarily as a result interfaith marriages.....in the Northeast, it's fashionable only for the big bar or bat mitzvah, and twice a year on the high holy days..any other times, the parking lots in the temples can be used for roller blading...

Speaking as a Catholic married to a (non-observant) Jew, I agree with your observation. My sister-in-law is a Messianic Jew (Jews for Jesus) married to a Baptist, my wife's best friend is a Jewish woman who married an Italian guy. Another friend is a Italian woman married to a Jewish guy.

Basicly, when you're a Jew in an ocean of Christians, it's much more likely that you'll marry a Christian than a Jew, unless you have an inflexible criterion to only date Jews.

With an intermarriage rate around 50% for Reform and Conservative Jews, I expect Reform and Conservative Judaism to pretty-much disappear from the US within another 3 generations

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

Sometimes it's wise to look at the similarities rather than the differences.The most important one of all,we both believe in GOD.

[ken5050]

Every man should be married to a JAP at least once, eif evn for a short time..it's a life-altering experience.....LOL

Seriously, what's curious inall the comments is that no one mentioned how secular Israel is, as a country.....most of the Sabras are non-observant Jews...

[SauronOfMordor]

Seriously, what's curious inall the comments is that no one mentioned how secular Israel is, as a country.....most of the Sabras are non-observant Jews...

When you take the religion out, all you have left is an ethnic group

[SJackson]

We may not get along, but here's a ping because I think the article would interest you