President Pushed to Escalate War in Israel and Beyond

UExpress ^ | April, 2002 | Georgie Anne Geyer

[lavaroise]

Beneath this pugnacious atmosphere, there is some hope that Secretary of State Colin Powell's upcoming trip to look in on the mayhem in Israel/Palestine may yield some answers. The secretary is the most accomplished leader of what's left of our polished diplomatic and political administration.

Bull#1: What do people truly expect Powell or anyone for that matter of doing over there?

But increasingly, the zealots, the radicals and the "crazies" are gathering around George W. Bush -- and finally, analysts who have wanted to ignore this important development are beginning to ask: "Why?"

Bull#2: Zealots? as opposed to whom? Liberals? Arafat? and this Why! Why are we the way they defined us which we are not? WHAT PSYCHOBABLE!!

"HEy, don't accuse me Georgie", "I'm not the one chosing sides and pushing for war here." THese people are incredible, they need to be caged in a mental institution. They are not ashamed of what they are saying, they keep repeating and imagining things left and right. It is unreal. THey are more demonic than an enraged WWF wrestler smashing a chair on top of his opponent. It is unreal, the IRRATIONAL face of Nazi Germany and Communist Soviet Union is alive and "well".

[desertcry]

......is different in what way? No difference at all, both are evil. Now the difference: The "civilized", and some Arab world accept America's characterization of osama, and his gang as terrorists. The world has not yet accepted Israel's contention that arafat, and his gang are terrorists. President GWB IMHO is trying to change that attitude, by doing what he is doing. Israel must get the symphaty of the civilized world if she is to survive, that is the real world. One can not live with idealism alone, it is insufficient in real life.

[desertcry]

you are getting... No, just expressing my MHO, yeah perhaps frustrated.

[Seti 1]

It was inane enough the first time. No need to repeat it.

[Seti 1]

You're my hero.

Ah, gee.

[Seti 1]

We have extended our hand in friendship to the Arab nations for decades. We send them billions of dollars in aid every year. We buy their oil. We prop up their regimes. We defended Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and, by extension, the U.A.E., Qatar, Bahrain and Oman from Saddam. Our support of Israel does not invalidate the support we've shown them and the goodwill, free money and commerce they've received from us.

This is nonsense. The only aid we send to Arab nations is the several billions we give Egypt as part of the Camp David Accords, i.e., for making peace with Israel. We prop up their regimes to insure our oil supply and to retain leaders who willing to put up with Israel.

Somehow I don't think Pearle, Wolfowitz, Netanyahu, Pipes, et al., care that much about Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. We took on Saddam because he threatened Israel. They want us to "finish the job" now.

[lavaroise]

It was inane enough the first time. No need to repeat it.

Before you bark and insult people like a fascist, you should see that I corrected the first post. THere is nothing inane about demanding irrational people to stop barking and inciting war.

[El Gato]

Our support of Israel has brought us the enmity of the 1/4 of the world's population which is Muslim, the contempt of Europe, the condemnation (and hidden glee) of Russia and China. What do we get for that

The satisfaction of being on the side of freedom, self rule and justice. That particular list of folks being against us can and should be interpreted as a badge of honor.

[GoMonster]

Georgie Sucks!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Trust but Verify]

The 'radicals' are the direct result of failed societies in the Arab world. Everything else is just an excuse.

[El Gato]

Of course, it's Palestinians on the one hand and Jews on the other--that makes all the difference.

No, it's (mostly) "gunmen"/soldiers on the one side and civilians on the other. Yes there has been some collateral casualties. The difference is one of deliberately targeting civilians and accidently harming them while defending yourself against armed men, who sometimes hide behind, literally, those civilians.

If Israel wanted to just kill Palestinian Arabs, they could have not sent in their soldiers to dig them out house by house, but rather backed off and called in Arty and Air Srikes. Now understand some arty has been used, but AFAIK no air, other than helicopter gunships. They are perfectly capable of building Daisy Cutters and have C-130s available to deliever them, if they just wanted to kill Muslims.

[El Gato]

Don't forget that we also provided support to the Afghans trying to kick the Soviets out of their country. We saved Saudi Arabia from Saddam, we bend over backward to observe their restrictive "customs" to the point of violating the rights of servicemen and women, and for this they hate us, spend millions and millions of dollars to support terrorists who then attack us. Fine, but fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I hope we won't be fooled again by this particular (large) subset of the Muslim world.

[Seti 1]

That particular list of folks being against us can and should be interpreted as a badge of honor.

That particular list of folks is just about everyone except England. What wonderful group of people who are with us did you have in mind? Can you name anyone?

[=Intervention=]

What moderate Arab states are you referring to? Look at Egypt's actions in the past few weeks and months. I'd hardly call them or the Saudis (funders of Al Quadia (sp)) moderate. Who's moderate? Oman, Qatar, Jordan? OK, fair enough...but there are fewer moderate Arab states that many suspect, and the term is quickly becoming an oxymoron.

[=Intervention=]

Haven't you figured out yet that our foreign policy shouldn't be based on how many friends it obtains us? Is that what you're advocating here? If so, what madness that is...

[harpo11]

"...mayhem..."

How can anyone reasonable observant person describe the life and death conflict in Israel and Palestine as mayhem especially when innocent Israeli citizens have been subjected to the vicious attacks by Palestinian suicide murderers? How much can a nation take before it's only recourse is to fight back for it's own survival?

The writer of this article may think he is so smart that he can get into the mind of our President but I'm thinking he was lost on that journey well before putting his pen to paper.

[watchin]

So if I'm such a Jew-hater why am I not a charter member of the Israel First gang? You might want to think about that Maybe some of these goy Israel Firsters just hate Jews.

Okay, let me think about that for a moment. Those who support the Jews hate them, and those who don't support them really support them? So I must be a Jew-hater since I support them. Huh. And to think I never even knew!

"It must be nice to not have to think"

I am humbled to be in the presence of such an intellect. One who can see truths like you've unveiled for me here. Someday I want to be able to be a deep thinker like you. You're my hero.