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Bill would keep U.S. out of world court
WND ^ | 4/12/02 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/11/2002 10:05:23 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: colorado tanker;Spar
Spar is still defending his FReeper buddy who got banned (for the 2nd time in 2 months) for being a military imposter.
His buddy is probably the one who "taught" him the Attorney General is in charge of military justice.
361 posted on 04/15/2002 11:06:06 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Link to senate vote records!!

I hope this is what you are looking for!!

362 posted on 04/15/2002 11:06:28 AM PDT by Nitro
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To: Spar
"I do not rely on the US Military to defend my rights."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA. What a maroon!

363 posted on 04/15/2002 11:08:23 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: Spar
"We (our elected leaders and their people both Clinton and Bush) are creating the precedent of a functioning sovereignty busting UN court."

Where is the Senate roll call link?
You said President Bush supports this.
Where's your proof?
When did he send it to the Senate to vote on?
364 posted on 04/15/2002 11:09:55 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
The link is still here and the direct link to Mike Reagn son of Ronald Wilson is here.

YOU said the Attorney General was in charge of military law.

Sec. 3261. - Criminal offenses committed by certain members of the Armed Forces and by persons employed by or accompanying the Armed Forces outside the United States

(b)

No prosecution may be commenced against a person under this section if a foreign government, in accordance with jurisdiction recognized by the United States, has prosecuted or is prosecuting such person for the conduct constituting such offense, except upon the approval of the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General (or a person acting in either such capacity), which function of approval may not be delegated.

365 posted on 04/15/2002 11:11:38 AM PDT by Spar
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To: Scuttlebutt
Purple...the fashion statement of the deck.
366 posted on 04/15/2002 11:12:38 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: Spar;Nitro
See post 362
Nitro was nice enough to find the link to Senate votes.
Now YOU dig thru and find the US Senate ratification of this treaty.
Let us all know when you have it.
367 posted on 04/15/2002 11:12:59 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
LOL! Sure would be news to my JAG buddies!
368 posted on 04/15/2002 11:15:08 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Nitro
A trap for President Bush

By Cliff Kincaid

web posted April 16, 2001

A foreign policy trap has been laid for President Bush that has serious implications for our own liberties. Consider the fact that the U.S. Government formally opposes an International Criminal Court to prosecute Americans, but wants to see a U.N. criminal court go after people from other countries.

The President recently decided to permit financial assistance to continue to the new democratic government of Yugoslavia, after it arrested former dictator Slobodan Milosevic, but is still insisting that Milosevic be eventually turned over to the U.N.'s international criminal tribunal on Yugoslavia, based in the Hague.

This approach, also supported by the editorial board of the Washington Times, is a critical mistake. The operations of the Yugoslavia tribunal violate American constitutional principles. It is illegal even under the international law the U.N. claims to be enforcing.

In an article in the Ottawa Citizen newspaper in Canada, former Canadian Ambassador to Yugoslavia James Bisset points out:

"...[Yugoslavian] President Kostunica has serious misgivings about the independence and impartiality of the Hague Tribunal. He is not alone in this. From its inception there has been doubts about the legitimacy of the Tribunal. It was not established by treaty or by the General Assembly of the United Nations as would normally be required for such a court...Certainly the performance of the Tribunal so far has displayed more of the characteristics of a medieval Star Chamber than an independent judicial body. A number of those who have been secretly indicted by the Tribunal have been kidnapped by armed thugs and transported against their will to The Hague to wait in detention for months or years for trial without benefit of bail. They are then required to face unknown and often hidden accusers before a Tribunal that acts as both prosecutor and judge. There is no jury. If the prisoner confesses while in custody, the confession is presumed to be voluntary. The trial may even be held in secret."

Contrast those facing this tribunal with the fate of President Clinton, who launched the illegal and unconstitutional war on Yugoslavia over Kosovo. He's free as a bird giving speeches at $100,000 a pop. Clinton's CIA-supported allies, the Islamic Kosovo Liberation Army, have launched a new war on Macedonia which should prove beyond doubt to those who supported the Kosovo war that we were indeed on the wrong side.

Remember that Milosevic was once Clinton's partner, participating in the Bosnia peace negotiations on U.S. soil. In order to force Milosevic to the so-called peace table, Clinton had approved the Croatian military offensive against the Serbs in the Krajina region of Croatia. That was the biggest example of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans wars. But Clinton won't get prosecuted for that, either.

Now, President Bush has been maneuvered by the State Department and the media into making demands on Yugoslavia that we as Americans would never accept ourselves. A trial of Milosevic by this illegitimate U.N. court could make him into a martyr and destabilize the country's democratic government. Prosecuting Milosevic before a foreign tribunal could result in his supporters coming back to power in a backlash that could spark another war. Milosevic might even beat the rap because some of the war crimes charges against him, such as involvement in the so-called Racak Massacre, are clearly fabrications. That was a stage-managed event designed to give Clinton and NATO the excuse to bomb people.

The conservative Washington Times supports a U.N. trial of Milosevic, as does the Washington Post and the New York Times. But the Post and New York Times also support an International Criminal Court.

I would rather see our media promote a U.S. Justice Department prosecution of someone like Moammar Gadhafi of Libya, a real dictator who is still in power and who has a long and bloody record of killing Americans. But Gadhafi made a deal with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan to escape indictment in the recent Pan Am 103 terrorism trial. And the Washington Times told us that Annan has been doing a good job, has a pro-American record, and deserves another term as U.N. boss. Nonsense.

This is not an insignificant issue. All of the principles and values that we hold dear - freedom, sovereignty, justice and human rights - are at stake. The administration and our fellow conservatives coming down on the wrong side on this important issue have to be told they're dead wrong. If they don't reverse course, it will be hard to argue down the road that we should be immune to the operations of an International Criminal Court that could target Americans. If the sovereignty of Yugoslavia doesn't matter, it will be difficult to argue that ours does.

Cliff Kincaid serves as president of America's Survival, Inc., a public policy organization.

369 posted on 04/15/2002 11:17:17 AM PDT by Spar
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Spar
I am not up to speed on the particular bone you two dogs are chewing on!!!

But I got a feeling it is one of those times when you are both almost in agreement but you are coming at it from different directions and you can't see the middle!!

First, do we all agree that the UN is a sham institution... prob Yes!

Milosivic is guilty...Yes!

Next is ??

371 posted on 04/15/2002 11:19:43 AM PDT by Nitro
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To: Spar
"and the direct link to Mike Reagn"

Pay attention!
I asked for the link that says Mike Reagan believes this story.
AGAIN, if something is linked to Free Republic does that mean Jim Robinson believes it?
Your feeble attempts at disrepecting OUR military is getting old.
372 posted on 04/15/2002 11:20:01 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: colorado tanker
Ask your JAG buddies about Sec. 3261 of the code.
373 posted on 04/15/2002 11:21:59 AM PDT by Spar
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Mike Reagan's website is his own website. It is not a public access website. Mike Reagan posts stories he agrees with.
374 posted on 04/15/2002 11:23:43 AM PDT by Spar
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To: colorado tanker;Spar
But what would your JAG buddies know?
Spar is an expert in the military, even though he has stated he refuses to enlist. LOL
I keep hounding this military basher for the sake of the active duty military lurkers who can't post replies to him.
And for all those who died protecting his Freedom.
375 posted on 04/15/2002 11:24:17 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Nitro
Guilty by what court? The UN court? Then you fall into the trap outlined Nitro.
376 posted on 04/15/2002 11:25:25 AM PDT by Spar
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To: citizenY2K
Why do you think it has a chance of passing here? What do the Rats have to gain?
377 posted on 04/15/2002 11:26:12 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
The facts hurt you I know. Better luck next time.
378 posted on 04/15/2002 11:26:54 AM PDT by Spar
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To: Spar
"Mike Reagan posts stories he agrees with."

So where is the actual link on his site that says this?
Where's the proof that he believes this story?
379 posted on 04/15/2002 11:27:02 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Spar
Hey dude, you linked your post to my name!!

And yeah I think Milosivic is guilty!!

380 posted on 04/15/2002 11:30:39 AM PDT by Nitro
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