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Bill would keep U.S. out of world court
WND ^ | 4/12/02 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/11/2002 10:05:23 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

A Texas lawmaker has drafted a bill that would ban the United States from participating in the newly formed International Criminal Court.

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is set to introduce "The American Servicemember and Citizen Protection Act of 2002," which he said "repudiates ICC jurisdiction over American citizens." The bill essentially provides that "the International Criminal Court is not valid with respect to the United States," said a draft copy obtained by WorldNetDaily.

Paul said his bill seeks to protect "American citizens against the ICC by urging President Bush to rescind the foolish Clinton administration signature of the ICC treaty." It would also ban "the use of U.S. taxpayer funds for the court, and deems ICC actions against U.S. servicemen acts of aggression against America," said a statement issued by Paul's office.

"The ICC is completely illegitimate, even under the U.N.’s own charter," Paul said.

"We characterize this legislation as a counteroffensive at this point," Jeff Deist, a spokesman for Paul, told WorldNetDaily. "Congressman Paul has many findings in the bill that lays out the case against the legitimacy and authority of the (ICC)."

Among them, said the Texas lawmaker, is the fact that the world body's "charter gives neither the U.N. General Assembly nor any other U.N. agency lawmaking authority."

"In other words," he continued, "there cannot be U.N. 'laws,' and there is no valid law authorizing the establishment of the ICC. The ratification of the ICC treaty, whether by 60 nations or 1,000, does nothing to give the court any legal authority whatsoever."

The bill notes that that under the terms of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, "no nation may be bound by a treaty to which that nation has not consented."

"Therefore the United States, which has not consented" to the ICC "cannot be bound" by its terms, the bill says.

It notes that the ICC is "wholly unauthorized by the Charter of the United Nations." And, it says the ICC statute "also contravenes the principle of government only by the consent of the governed," which is "enshrined in the American national charter, the Declaration of Independence."

The ICC's authority, the bill notes, circumvents U.S. constitutional "principles of separation of powers, federalism and trial by jury that are guaranteed" to Americans.

The ICC "by design and effect, is an illegitimate court," the bill states.

Paul thinks the world court could be used as a tool against the global interests of the U.S.

"The ICC, like the U.N. itself, will be used for political purposes," he said. "Far from being neutral, the court will serve as a weapon against disfavored nations and leaders. Given the anti-American sentiment that pervades the U.N., we can only assume that the court will be used one day to prosecute Americans who offend our many enemies among U.N. member states."

As WND reported, the world court was officially instituted yesterday at the U.N.'s New York City headquarters. According to its charter, the ICC is a permanent tribunal established ostensibly to prosecute "crimes against humanity." Clinton signed the treaty on his last day in office, Jan. 20, 2001, but it has never been ratified by the Senate. But as late as Monday there were reports that President Bush had sought means to retract the signature of the former president.

Deist confirmed that Bush has talked of finding a way to withdraw Clinton's signature, but he said talk in Washington is sometimes cheap.

"The ICC cannot exercise legitimate jurisdiction over American citizens," Paul said. "Furthermore, the Senate cannot constitutionally ratify any treaty that attempts to surrender the judicial function to an international agency. Our Constitution guarantees every American citizen various rights before, during and after a criminal arrest and trial, and no valid treaty can deny our citizens those rights."

Deist told WND that the bill is similar to legislation introduced in the House and Senate last summer, but that the Texas lawmaker's bill "is more zesty."

He also said the measure had garnered at least 15 co-sponsors by midday yesterday but it is so new that it has yet to be assigned a number.


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1 posted on 04/11/2002 10:05:23 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Big FREEDOM bump!
3 posted on 04/11/2002 10:17:11 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
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4 posted on 04/11/2002 10:18:16 PM PDT by Djarum
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection;Billie; Snow Bunny; FallGuy; JohnHuang2; Mama_Bear; Victoria Delsoul...
Thanks for posting this Tumbleweed!
From my understanding the Senate has never ratified this treaty
and President Bush has indicated the US WILL NOT be part of this "court."
For the last few days I have seen a select group of FReepers
"worried" about the fate of a known commie, Milosevic, being tried by his commie peers.
Now some FReepers are "upset" that one of his commie aides killed himself.

Let the commies devour each other!
I just find it hard to believe that some FReepers actually think the US military won't protect them
from being dragged off to the UN "court."

5 posted on 04/11/2002 10:19:46 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Constantine XIII
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6 posted on 04/11/2002 10:22:34 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
The ICC, like the U.N. itself, will be used for political purposes,"

Gee ya think?

7 posted on 04/11/2002 10:26:21 PM PDT by Valin
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To: Cicero; Pushi;Askel5
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8 posted on 04/11/2002 10:27:13 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
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9 posted on 04/11/2002 10:28:51 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: *Ron Paul list;Libertarianize the GOP;madfly
index bump and fyi
10 posted on 04/11/2002 10:32:28 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Can you imagine every time a U.S. cabinate member left the left the Country they would be seized. You poluted our Earth, invaded our Country, have too much money, have the death penalty our just for the fact your from the U.S. what a joke.
11 posted on 04/11/2002 10:34:54 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Let's send the ratification of the ICC to the Senate floor for a roll-call vote on it. All who vote to ratify it would then be openly guilty of treason, punishable by death. Likewise, any member of Congress who would oppose this legislation by Rep Paul would also be guilty of treason. Hopefully, the 'Rats would show their true communist colors on this one.
12 posted on 04/11/2002 10:37:35 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Isn't the fact that Clinton signed this POS in the first place an open admission of treason by him???? What does it take to spell this out to his moronic apologists?
13 posted on 04/11/2002 10:39:00 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: SKS Snajperi; FireWall;Spar
Education Ping
SKS Snajperi hope you don't get banned like you did under your last FReeper name, HoChiMinh, last month.
14 posted on 04/11/2002 10:39:42 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"under the terms of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties,
"no nation may be bound by a treaty to which that nation has not consented."
"Therefore the United States, which has not consented" to the ICC "cannot be bound" by its terms"

Like I said let the commie judges judge the rich commie
Milosevic and give him a taste of his own medicine.
Americans need not be concerned over the fate of a commie.
Milosevic's own people voted him out of office as payback for his treatment of them.
He got rich while they sufferd.
15 posted on 04/11/2002 10:49:27 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Like Ruby Ridge, Waco and the taking of Elian?

This country is under civilian authority (as it should be), but, can we trust people who pass a freedom restricting law as the p.a.t.r.i.o.t. (read Gestapo Law) and the limiting of free speech under the CFR law? I think not! Can we trust people who want to reward illegal aliens with citizenship? I think not! Can we trust people who voted us into the World Trade Association where people who play by different rules are allowed to determine if our trade policies are fair? I think not!

All these , by themselves, are seemingly not important, but, an overview will show a pattern forming and it's not a healthy one for Americans, IMO

16 posted on 04/11/2002 10:51:10 PM PDT by poet
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To: poet
You bring up some valid points.
I give you credit for worrying about America instead of worrying about a commie like some FReepers do.
17 posted on 04/11/2002 10:54:36 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
America and Americans are my primary concern. Those freepers who worry about commies/socialists/totalitarians are of the same ilk ,but, do not have the courage to come out and say so. I might add that I am concerned for Israel also. I just hope we don't betray them.
18 posted on 04/11/2002 11:00:06 PM PDT by poet
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To: poet
"I might add that I am concerned for Israel also"

Likewise!
Why any FReeper would worry about a commie getting what he deserves,
i.e. judgement by his commie peers, is beyond me.
19 posted on 04/11/2002 11:07:29 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 11B3
"Let's send the ratification of the ICC to the Senate floor for a roll-call vote on it."

Glad you brought that up.
Some FReepers are convinced this is already a done deal.
20 posted on 04/11/2002 11:10:25 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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