UNITED WAY GROUPS CONTINUE TO DE-FUND BOY SCOUTS

Grassfire.net | April 12, 2002 | Grassfire.net

[Young Werther]

I'm the President of the North Texas chapter of the National Space Society. The BSA headquarters are here in Irving Tx. I was asked if I couldn't bring together a group of volunteers to edit and update the Boy Scout Space Exploration Handbook. You betcha!!!!!

[mdittmar]

Great,The BSA depends so much on volunteers to make things happen.

Thanks

[NetValue]

"I cut off the UW 20 years ago as being coercive and arrogant in their collecting methods."

Me too. And I urge others, especially ferderal employees to not participate in UW.

More proactively, I make a (tax deductible)cash contribution to BSA annually. I urge you to do so too.

[Barnacle]

DO NOT LET THOSE UW EXTORTIONIST GET ONE RED CENT OF YOUR MONEY!

[Aunt Polgara]

You may be interested to know that the Girl Scouts do not discriminate against lesbian leaders. In fact, they are in the forefront of pushing a gay agenda in schools.

[Jay W]

Let me see if I have the liberal logic right:

Pedophiles in the Catholic Church=bad
Pedophiles in the Boy Scouts=good

Actually their logic is very coherent. The liberals seek to destroy both the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts.

[Barnacle]

What a shame. I am a big fan of scouting, but my girls will not be allowed to participate because of this corruption/perversion of the GSA.

[Lancey Howard]

Let me see if I have the liberal logic right:

Pedophiles in the Catholic Church=bad
Pedophiles in the Boy Scouts=good

Yes, you have the Democrat mindset figured out exactly right.
That's liberal "logic" for you, LOFL !!!

[Squantos]

Thanks for the info but the Girl Scouts are still the best thing in my town /area for teaching young ladies to be smart and responsible citizens when they grow up.

In all organizations there is good and bad, regarding organizations such as we are trying to support. That is why it is important to support and fund directly those locally known kids groups versus letting some bean counting administrative pogue dole out my donations with an eye dropper willy nilly to a national HQ level budget.

If I detect the pro lesbitarian efforts in any form or manner I walk with my money and time. Parents who don't or won't protect their "young" from such an all to early education (never seen a homosexual merit badge requirement for scouting.........yet) IMHO are the bigger threat to their own kids anyway.

Again just my personal opinion as a Old Eagle Scout trying to keep a good thing working for others...........

Thanks for the info and Stay Safe !

[Lancey Howard]

"UNITED WAY GROUPS CONTINUE TO DE-FUND BOY SCOUTS"

That's okay because me and my whole extended family and every person I can talk to are "defunding" the United Way. I am forever done with that smacked arse outfit. All the petitions in the world don't matter - - these scumbags in charge will still think in the same disgusting, perverted, liberal Democrat way. My mission is to convince every person I can to stop giving so much as a dime to the scumbag United Way. If enough employees at corporations who are routinely shaken down by United Way would simply say, "No", maybe the whole stinking mess would go under.

[Bobby777]

I cut off the UW 20 years ago as being coercive and arrogant in their collecting methods. This business with the BSA makes me even more glad that I did so.

ditto for me too ... well said ... their arm-twisting and funds-for-fisting means they'll never get dime one out of me again ...

[brat]

BTTT

[Aunt Polgara]

Well, you must be very vigilant regarding the Girl Scouts. I was a girl scout, and I was one of the leaders of my daughter's troop for many years. A lot of what they do is very subtle, and some is not so subtle. For example, I remember that there was a program put on for the older girls, and one of the sessions was put on by Planned Parenthood. Another time, at our local neighborhood end-of-the-year awards ceremony for adults, those in charge thought it was appropriate to hire a female impersonator to "entertain" us. They got blasted for it by many of us leaders, but they couldn't understand why we would be upset, even though the entertainer had some pretty off-color jokes.

You have to understand that, unlike the Boy Scouts, local troop leaders are not welcome at most Girl Scout camps, so you have no idea what may go on there.

Let me give you another example. Both of my sons are Eagle Scouts. When they went to camp, the troop leaders accompanied them. So at least we knew the men who were involved (my dear husband among them.) The camp that they went to always tried to have religious leaders, generally young men in training for the ministry, at the week-long camps to minister to the boys and leaders. At the camp my sons went to, there was usually either a Catholic priest or seminary student, a Protestant minister, and sometimes even a rabinical student. The camps usually went from Sunday evening to Saturday morning, but there was always one week that catered to those scouts who didn't travel on Saturdays for religious reasons.

Contrast that to my experience with the Girl Scouts. We had to drop our girls off on Sunday morning, which meant that our whole family couln't attend Sunday services that week, and their staff couldn't attend for the whole summer. There was no attempt as far as I could see to accomodate religious services. It just wasn't important to them.

One particular memory I had was of a massive 4-day campout here in the Los Angeles area with 15,000 scouts and leaders for the 75h anniversary of Girl Scouting. The planners had planned on having a "non-denominational" service on Sunday morning. At first they would not even permit a Catholic service to be held or the Catholic scouts to leave for a local service. When the Catholic troops threatened to boycott, they finally relented and begrudingly allowed a service at 6:30 or 7 am. I can't remember the exact time, but it was bloody early. It actually worked out fairly well for our troop, because the girls who decided to go to the planned non-denominational service had to skip some of the fun program to attend. Our service was so early that the fun stuff hadn't started yet.

One more thing. Did you know that the Girl Scouts have made the work "God" optional in their promise? Girls who don't believe in God can substitute another word if they like. Just some things for you to think about.

[Squantos]

I trust what you say but support what I see here which to date is OK from my view of their efforts and my personal knowledge of the local troop leaders etc etc.

The "can't attend camp with your own leaders" thing is scary ! I put my trust in leaders I know, not someone I don't, for children too young to make important decisions a stranger is not one to rely on IMHO.

Good on ya for seeing the bad and reporting it. My local support for the little ladies & young men in Scouts and sports is pretty much limited to paying a hundred bucks for a bake sale item or to get my old truck washed by a bunch of paint scratchers :o)........

My donation is just telling em to keep the change , classes I teach regarding wilderness survival and a free copy of the little CATO pocket US Constitutions & DOI to each boy and girl......

Again Thanks for the info........Stay Safe !

[Aunt Polgara]

Here are a couple of articles by the American Family Association that speak directly to what the Girl Scouts are becoming:

part one and part two

It's very sad. I have many happy memories of both my own time as a girl scout and my time with my daughter's troop.

[Aunt Polgara]

Speaking from experience, it takes quite awhile for local troop leaders to realize that the national Girl Scouts are not the same as what they remember from their own girlhood. It wasn't until my daughter was nearly out of scouts before I realized what was going on at the national level.

[Squantos]

Good reads, I just don't know, honestly am uneducated about the national levels and that is why I go back to post one of our exchange and state support your "local" known groups and let the others die on the vine per se.

I'd suspect a lot of the woes you see locally are related to your states history of PC/BS support for such alledged modern concepts of the two mommies or two daddies theory being OK. (Bleech)

Keep up the good fight AP & Stay Safe !

[Navy Patriot]

I agree, your method will have the most effect, IMO. I donate to Scouts and Salvation Army and a small number of other well chosen organisations directly. Nothing to United Way.

Thirty years ago my mother volunteered for United as office staff (accounting) and she was led to believe that the purpose (of United) was efficency in managing fund rasing and distribution. It seems that it has degenerated into the power to coerce by withholding funds. One wonders if that was the goal from the start: power.