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Disagreement over who'll catch illegal immigrants
NYT via Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | April 29, 2002 | ERIC SCHMITT

Posted on 04/29/2002 1:41:19 AM PDT by sarcasm

WASHINGTON -- In a rare disagreement, White House and Justice Department officials are divided over whether to declare that local and state police departments have the power to track down illegal immigrants as a new tactic in the global war on terror.

If adopted as policy, an opinion by the Office of Legal Counsel at the Justice Department would reverse a long-standing legal tradition and allow local police officers to make arrests for civil violations of immigration law, such as overstaying visas.

A 1996 opinion by the legal counsel's office precluded local officers from tracking down illegal immigrants, and a draft memorandum last November by the same office supported that conclusion. Federal agents of the Immigration and Naturalization Service typically handle these cases.

Many police departments have voiced concern that the new Justice Department proposal would jeopardize their relations with immigrants, who would be less willing to report crimes. Authorities in Mexico and advocates for immigrants have protested to the administration that the plan would encourage racial profiling.

"This is a democracy, based on freedom, and people have a right to basic human dignity," said John Robertson, chief of police in Newark, Calif. "That means they're not going to be questioned just because of their appearance."

The White House has generally supported Attorney General John Ashcroft's aggressive role in combating terrorism since the terrorist attacks Sept. 11.

But White House officials expressed concern this month when Ashcroft seemed poised to declare the internal legal ruling as administration policy before fully reviewing the plan and its potential fallout with White House aides.

"Consultations need to be had on something like this so the White House knows more about it, and to make sure it's not abused," said one administration official, who said White House officials felt "blindsided" by news media reports this month about the proposal.

One senior administration official said that unless modified significantly, the proposal could lead to racial profiling and lawsuits resulting from police abuses, strain relations with Latin American nations, and alienate Hispanic voters who Republicans are courting for the midterm elections in November.

"It is not a well-thought-out proposal," the official said.

High-level deputies from the White House, Justice Department, immigration service and other agencies have had a flurry of meetings over the past three weeks in an effort to tamp down the dispute and forge a consensus that can be presented to President Bush and his top aides.

This is not the first time Ashcroft's intention of pursuing potential terrorist threats has put him at odds with state and local law enforcement agencies. In the months after Sept. 11, some police chiefs resisted Ashcroft's request that they help interview thousands of Middle Eastern men, expressing concern that the plan seemed like racial profiling.


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1 posted on 04/29/2002 1:41:19 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: Joe Hadenuf; doug from upland; dandelion; SocialMeltdown; Mercuria; cribsheet; dennisw,FITZ...
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2 posted on 04/29/2002 1:43:04 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
....the Office of Legal Counsel at the Justice Department would reverse a long-standing legal tradition and allow local police officers to make arrests for civil violations of immigration law, such as overstaying visas.

The way I see it, anyone should be able to arrest illegals.

3 posted on 04/29/2002 4:53:04 AM PDT by Brownie74
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To: sarcasm
Many police departments have voiced concern that the new Justice Department proposal would jeopardize their relations with immigrants, who would be less willing to report crimes. Authorities in Mexico and advocates for immigrants have protested to the administration that the plan would encourage racial profiling.

Ah hum...AAAGGGGHHHHHHH There I feel better now.

4 posted on 04/29/2002 5:28:41 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin
Racial profiling. how awful! Excusing illegal immigration by offering the excuse that the police might racially profile is stupidity. Why not promote criminal profiling?

What is there about this White House that cannot understand criminal behavior? From protecting the excesses of the Clintons to illegal immigration, the administration acts as though it is the legislative and executive body. What happened to the balance of powers that our Constitution is supposed to provide?

It is very apparent that the Federal government is doing nothing to protect the public from terrorists entering our country. The very least they could do is give the local authorities the means to take care of the job the Feds should be doing.

5 posted on 04/29/2002 6:02:25 AM PDT by meenie
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To: sarcasm
I wouldn't want the police going door-to-door. I think the INS should go after businesses that hire illegals as tough as the IRS goes after them for taxes. Local police should deport any illegal committing any kind of crime. Drunk drivers, hit-and-run drivers, shoplifters, there are many opportunities to arrest and deport them.
6 posted on 04/29/2002 6:08:14 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: sarcasm
Many police departments have voiced concern that the new Justice Department proposal would jeopardize their relations with immigrants, who would be less willing to report crimes.

So what? That's one of the risks you take when you decide to become a criminal.

7 posted on 04/29/2002 6:38:30 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: sarcasm;healey22;lutine;Right_Makes_Might;wku man;sonofliberty2;fishing fool;sweetliberty...
...the proposal could lead to racial profiling

Remember this? The worst kind of profiling... compliments of guess who.

...and lawsuits resulting from police abuses, strain relations with Latin American nations,

Boink Mexico.

and alienate Hispanic voters who Republicans are courting for the midterm elections in November.

Pander express. Bottom line. Bunch of sellouts.

8 posted on 04/29/2002 7:28:02 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Tancredo Fan
This is going to be a tight battle I think. I have faith that it will go the way that we want but no one can ever relax their efforts.
9 posted on 04/29/2002 7:47:23 AM PDT by bullmoose
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To: Brownie74
YEAH, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO CITIZENS ARREST?
10 posted on 04/29/2002 7:49:09 AM PDT by conserve-it
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To: Tancredo Fan
Why are we surprised? Since it seems to be Bush's plan to jam Mexico down our throats whether we want them or not. It's no great shock to me that the White House objects!

Mr. Bush has got to lose this love affair with Vicente Fox and Mexico. California is looking more and more like Mexico North.

If Bush loves Mexico so much, why doesn't he move there instead of having Mexico move here?

11 posted on 04/29/2002 7:49:17 AM PDT by navyblue
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To: Tancredo Fan; FITZ
The government should give illegals 6 months to sell everything, they don't want to take with them, and to return to their home countries. In the meantime we make a concerted effort to enforce the laws, already on the books, against employing illegals. Then, in 6 months, law enforcement goes door-to-door to mop up. Any illegal apprehended, at that time, forfeits all.

We should start walling off the borders and patrolling them militarily so that, once the illegals are out, they stay out.

12 posted on 04/29/2002 7:50:56 AM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: Tancredo Fan
Anyone who thinks hispanic voters are going to vote Republican is too stupid to live.
13 posted on 04/29/2002 7:51:28 AM PDT by conserve-it
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To: 4Freedom
"The government should give illegals 6 months to sell everything,"

They will disappear in one week.
14 posted on 04/29/2002 7:52:51 AM PDT by conserve-it
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To: sarcasm
"This is a democracy, based on freedom, and people have a right to basic human dignity," said John Robertson, chief of police in Newark, Calif. "That means they're not going to be questioned just because of their appearance."

Policework without questioning. Glad this guy ain't sherif in MY town.

While it may be good policy in other parts of the country, here in CA leaving the apprehension of illegals to local officials is akin to leaving the fox in charge of the proverbial henhouse.

15 posted on 04/29/2002 7:58:51 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Brownie 74
"YEAH, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO CITIZENS ARREST?" Arrest all you like! Problem is that you will never get the INS to come and pick them up. You will probably even be sued by the Mexican government for detaining one of their citizens.
16 posted on 04/29/2002 8:17:02 AM PDT by navyblue
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To: navyblue
YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT. OUR GOVERNMENT HAS NO INTENTION OF DEPORTING ILLEGALS, OR STOPPING NEW ONES FROM CROSSING THE BORDER TONIGHT!!!!
17 posted on 04/29/2002 8:22:27 AM PDT by conserve-it
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To: navyblue
You will probably even be sued by the Mexican government for detaining one of their citizens.

I would love to see them try it. Unlike Bush, our Constitution and the law means something to me and I will do what I have to do.

19 posted on 04/29/2002 9:04:51 AM PDT by Brownie74
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To: conserve-it
Well, the faster the illegals return to their home countries, the faster we can put Americans back to work, full-time.
20 posted on 04/29/2002 9:07:35 AM PDT by 4Freedom
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