School may drop Lincoln holiday in favor of Cesar Chavaz birthday [California]

Oakland Tribune ^ | May 6, 2000 | Jason Bono

[junta]

Thank you for reminding the conservatives of what the harvest of their fooling with PC has yielded. But then again conservatism these days means only two issues, Israel and tax cuts all others are simply not progressive enough and too contentious causing strain amongst the Left?Right duopoly.

[ohioman]

That's baloney. I am proud of my Rebel roots, but replacing Lincoln's holiday with that of a foreign communist is sickening. The idiots on that school board ought to have the hell beat out of them.

[willide]

The Klan done what they thought they had to right after the WBTS. Your union occupation troops and radical reconstruction ways was what made it needed. It got out a hand, but Forrest didn't mean for it to go that way. And he aint the one that formed it in the first place. He was probly the first wizard but knowbody even knows for sure.

Comparing the Klan right after the war and what you see today is like comparing the NAACP of the early 20's with Kweisi Enfume an his bunch a idiots.

Forrest is a hero and more a man than you'd a ever faced.

And billbears: why run off like a scared rat when this puff a hot air tries to wave a gutless race flag? The Klan wasnt right, but nothin was right in those first few years after the war. You know that. We may not a been right in all we done but we did what we thought we had to do.

[oc-flyfish]

You mean Mr. No Grapes is more important than Lincoln? How is this possible in California...

[billbears]

I wan't running. I considered the source and wasn't worth a response. Anyone that surfs these threads knows full well I am not a racist by any means and support the Confederate troops of all races that fought for their nation

[glory]

So true!!

[Twodees]

Ahaha, watch the Lincoln worshippers screech when they get a dose of their own revisionist medicine. So, the Californicators are replacing Massa Abe with a communist wetback. Let'em whine and cry now. We've been telling them for years that siding with the commies against the Confederates would lead them to this. It's ridiculous to honor Lincoln anyway. That it's more ridiculous to honor Chavez is a moot point.

[CounterCounterCulture]

This ought to piss off the African-American community...whether or not it will remains to be seen.

Anyway, union goons already have their own holiday with Labor Day. And Latinos already have Cinco de Mayo, celebrated in enough communities in California, virtually a state holiday in its own right. And any holiday that celebrates a victory over the French is A-OK in my book. :)

Isn't this the same school district that was pushing ebonics?

I think that was Oakland.

[A Navy Vet]

"I generally use 'em as an excuse to sleep in and do yardwork....."

Sleep in; do yardwork; but also do something for your countrymen who are dying and being maimed overseas to protect you.

AMERICA REMEMBERS: VetsCoR/FRN Memorial Day Project

[Bonaparte]

"We can celebrate his memory when we have Presidents' Day," Morse said..."

Why not just celebrate Chavez' memory when we have Labor Day and leave Lincoln alone?

[j.havenfarm]

Go peddle it to Taki.

[BlackElk]

Chavez was certainly no conservative but neither was Lincoln. Chavez was VERY Catholic and organized his United Farmworkers Union (AFL-CIO) by using a statue of Our Lady of Guadalupe as a rallying standard, using prayer, arguing for the dignity of the farm laborers. He was also very outspokenly pro-life. He died of heart trouble at an early age.

Unlike Lincoln, Chavez also did not bring about or attempt to bring about the death of 600,000 Union folks and Confederates in order to force the latter to remain in the Union in violation of Amendment X of the Constitution. Why choose between them? you can have them both. We also have Martin Luther King Day. We might also want to honor Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, Jefferson davis, et al. Diversity need not be all left.

[Paul C. Jesup]

They won't be happy until Lincoln's face on Mt. Rushmore is bulldozed and replaced with a racist southern DemocRAT who shares their values. (Maybe Woodrow Wilson?)

Actually, as a southerner, I'd like to see Reagan's face replace Lincoln's face on Mt. Rushmore. But that is just my opinion on it.

But seeing how they'll all big fans of secession-on-demand, any step towards "Arzlan" will have their support.

Hey you should look at your OWN politicians, they are the ones directly and indirectly supporting the creation of "Arzlan". I, as a southerner, just find great humor in the irony of the situation.

[Bonaparte]

LOL! Just realized that Cesar Chavez already has a state holiday of his own (a paid one) -- March 31 -- signed into law by none other than Grey Davis two years ago. So I'm wondering why these idiots in San Leandro want a second one for him.

[monkeywrench]

"Why not just celebrate Chavez' memory when we have Labor Day and leave Lincoln alone?"

Because that won't achieve their objective.

[BlackElk]

That will balance things off since it was a very liberal Lincoln. Read his sorry drivel on the floor of Congress during his one and only term against the Mexican War: "This chamber stands knee deep in blood....." His rhetoric was ripped off without attribution by McGovern in railing against the Vietnam War in his capacity as Senate leader of the Americong. Folks in Springfield brought Young Abe back in disgrace after his one and only term. He was the choice of 39% of the 1860 voters in a four-way race with the Democrats (Jacksonian not Clintonian) divided three ways and getting 61% among them. Secession resolutions resulted almost immediately.

As with JFK and RFK, getting assassinated may be painful but it sure can retroactively sanitize one's reputation and work wonders for your place in history.

[Bonaparte]

Cesar Chavez Day (March 31) signed into law by Gray Davis on August 18, 2000.

Again, why eliminate Lincoln's birthday and replace it with a second Cesar Chavez day?

[BlackElk]

Why am I not surprised?

I have been meaning to ask: Why do you regard yourself as a conservative? Issues and specifics, please. And accomplishments.

Was Sherman/Sheridan's total war against women and children in the war crime known as the March to the sea (which even included the purposeful burning of some of the greatest private libraries of the South whose books would have been welcome in the libraries of Northern Unitarians) justified because they later treated the Plains Indians similarly? Inquiring minds want to know.

[R. Scott]

What many have feared - the Latinos are gaining power in the minority community.

[BlackElk]

Lincoln's wife was a slaveowner as was Grant's and Grant was renting them out illegally to mineowners in Southern Illinois where slavery was quite illegal.