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Fortuyn favoured depraved
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Posted on 05/16/2002 11:21:38 AM PDT by VinnyTex

Scotland on Sunday   
Sun 12 May 2002

Fortuyn favoured depraved

MARCELLO MEGA AND JUSTIN SPARKS

PIM Fortuyn, the charismatic right-wing Dutch politician murdered last week was a powerful advocate or
paedophilia, Scotland on Sunday can reveal.

His controversial views on race, immigration, liberalisation of drug laws and his open homosexuality were well-known. But his approval of paedophilia, while not a secret, was ignored by Dutch journalists covering his election campaign.

Fortuyn stood to gain up to 20% of the vote in Wednesday's election and his list is expected to gain thousands of extra votes.

Ireen Van Engelen, an anti-paedophile campaigner in Holland, said: "I have been writing to journalists around the country for months as Fortuyn's popularity grew. I was asking them to challenge him on his views about paedophilia. But none of them dared. I also wrote to ministers, but none of them were interested. It's a disgrace.

"It is strange that they could criticise him, quite rightly, for being racist, but were unwilling to raise this other matter. I can't say for sure that he was a paedophile himself, but he was certainly an advocate for adult-child sex."

Van Engelen cites a column Fortuyn wrote for the Dutch current affairs magazine, Elsevier, in 1999. It was so on-message for pro-paedophile campaigners that it was reproduced by Koinos, a magazine for homosexual paedophiles.

In his article, Fortuyn wrote: "Paedophilia is just like hetero and homosexuality. It is something that is in the genes. There is little if anything that you can do about it or against it. You are who you are? sooner or later the proclivity makes its irresistible appearance. It is not any more curable than hetero or homosexuality."

The column concludes: "The law philosopher and paedophile [Edward] Brongersma, for years senator of the Labour party, spent his life campaigning for understanding of the paedophile fellow man. He launched this effort fearlessly after serving a sentence for sexual harassment of a minor. The minor in question had not considered it harassment, but the justice department judged otherwise in the 1950s.

"In the 1970s and 1980s, Brongersma slowly but surely gained ground. After the invention of the Pill came sexual liberation. Gay sex became accepted, and why then should paedo sex not be allowed ? under the strict condition that the child is willing and that there is no coercion? This enlightened point of view has meanwhile been abandoned, and under the influence of the ologists, the child is defined as totally
devoid of sexual desires, at least where adults are concerned.

"We are far removed from the understanding that Brongersma tried to foster, to our own detriment, for that matter. For everything which can be discussed is in principle also manageable, one would think!"

In the last week, Fortuyn has been lionised in the Dutch media. Thousands of mourners have paid their respects and many more have promised to vote for the list of candidates that still bears his name. In their sense of shock many in Holland have lost sight of Fortuyn's controversial ideas and instead focused on his image as a colourful and entertaining maverick.

"The killing has produced a sort of Dutch 'Diana' effect," said Fred Spier, a social anthropologist at Amsterdam University. "Tens of thousands of people who previously had no sympathy for Mr Fortuyn have joined his supporters all across the country in a mass outpouring of grief. He has turned from the bad man of right-wing politics into a fallen national hero overnight.''

Not only has Fortuyn's death won the sympathy of voters, but it has also served to discredit the mainstream parties, which are being accused of having whipped up a national hate campaign against Fortuyn by 'wrongly' portraying him as a right-wing extremist.

In 1998, Fortuyn published an autobiographical work called Babyboomers, the name given to children born in the post-war years up to 1953. He reveals that he had early sexual experiences with adult males, which he claims to have found pleasurable and exciting. His logic is that because he enjoyed sexual experiences with adult men as a child, it should be legal.

Fortuyn's first experience occurred when he was five years old. "The Dutch soldier asks if I want to see his tent. That's what I want. I like it and they all are sleeping on the ground in a sleeping-bag. I ask if it is hard and cold to sleep on the ground. Oh no, come here. Together we crawl in his sleeping-bag. The soldier asks my name and I ask his name.

?He is called Arie and he asks if I like that name. Yes, I think that's a nice name and I lie beside him, nice and warm."

Fortuyn then described a close sexual encounter with the soldier before leaving his sleeping-bag "to go and play outside." He added: "Can I come back tomorrow? Yes, tomorrow I may come back, says Arie."

A few pages later, he describes another incident: "I went to the park for a walk, it was very silent and the sun was shining. On the bench sat a young fellow. I stood still, curious."

Fortuyn relates another sexual encounter - this time in explicit detail. He concludes: "I was frightened and ran away to my home, to my mother. Excited, I ran into the room. My mother looked at me searchingly and asked what had happened. Nothing, of course. Watch out, little man, was the only thing she said. A glass of lemonade made me calm down. Yes, that was exciting."

Most telling is his appraisal of these memories. "In chapter 1 about the 1950s, I wrote about my early sexual experiences, experiences that I see as an enrichment. Today, an experience like that in the ppark could easily lead to a complaint by parents to the police because of paedophilia, and the relevant young man would be in trouble. But why?

"He didn't do me any harm. On the contrary, he showed me something that was incomprehensibly exciting and I could feel and touch it, but today we are ready to interfere with complete teams of professionals. By interfering in such an irritating and grown-up way in the world of children, we make an
enormous problem of something that for a child is no problem at all and is only exciting."

Van Engelen said: "The problem with Pim Fortuyn was that he never grew up. In his mind he stayed a little boy. A lot of Dutch men recognised that. That's what made him so popular, among other things. It's a pity that we no longer have the opportunity to challenge him about these views. He did not seem willing to recognise that a child will be harmed by sex with an adult."


This article:

   http://www.news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?id=513942002

More Far Right in Europe:

   http://www.news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=223

Websites:

  Front National
   http://www.front-national.com/

  L'Humanité (newspaper)
   http://www.humanite.presse.fr/journal/

  Le Figaro (newspaper)
   http://www.lefigaro.fr/

  Le Monde (newspaper)
   http://www.lemonde.fr/

  Parti Communiste Français
   http://www.pcf.fr/

  Parti Socialiste
   http://www.parti-socialiste.fr/

  RPR - Rassemblement pour la République
   http://www.rpr.asso.fr/

  UDF - Union pour la Démocratie Française
   http://www.udf.org/


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To: beckett
How can it be a smear? The quotes above are pretty unequivocal. Are you saying they've been created out of whole cloth?

Well, not out of the whole cloth; actually, Newt Gingrich said them. I've seen it four or five places on the internet so it must be so.

61 posted on 05/16/2002 6:42:21 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Southern Federalist
Too many people on this thread are confusing the opinion of condoning pedophilia with the fact of being a pedophile. If Fortuyn wrote such a column, that is only evidence of the former. One may disagree with such an opinion, but wasn't the essence of the man that he was brave enough to express outrageous opinions? Do we really want to disown such a man because he held some opinions we do not agree with, even in a state of war and emergency?

Politics is the art of the possible, which means it is necessary to strike alliances with people who agree with us on the basics. Excessive purism is a prescription for futility.

62 posted on 05/16/2002 6:45:51 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: xm177e2
Not only has Fortuyn's death won the sympathy of voters

I haven't followed this story at all, but this sounds not unlike Keizo Obuchi in Japan who was more popular dead than he ever was as Prime Minister.

64 posted on 05/16/2002 6:49:55 PM PDT by altair
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To: summer
Understand one thing, you post articles in this forum, I am a member of this forum, as such, I am free to comment on the things that you post. Just as anyone is free to comment on the things that I post.
65 posted on 05/16/2002 6:50:44 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: beckett
Are you saying they've been created out of whole cloth?

That is what I understood, yes. The story is a hoax........

66 posted on 05/16/2002 6:53:41 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: xm177e2
I said when the story first came out, and repeat now, the reason he is reported in the media as a "Right Wing" politician is because he is a former Communist/Marxist professor.

Former Left Wing = Right Wing. OK?

67 posted on 05/16/2002 6:54:19 PM PDT by Don Carlos
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To: VinnyTex
In his article, Fortuyn wrote: "Paedophilia is just like hetero and homosexuality. It is something that is in the genes. There is little if anything that you can do about it or against it. You are who you are? sooner or later the proclivity makes its irresistible appearance. It is not any more curable than hetero or homosexuality."

The fact that this woman spent all her time shrilly shrieking that this was proof of his appoval of "paeodophelia" should have been an indication that she had an agenda and had lost all objectivity.

This is the man's opinion on those who prey on children and he may or may not be correct. It's quite likely that pedophiles are incurable.

68 posted on 05/16/2002 6:54:24 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: xm177e2

This needs to be read. Fortuyn was evil, no conservative should support him just because he favored the free market.

Get rid of the myopia. Nobody should support criminal activities regardless of party affiliation, gender, race or religion. Or do you think it's okay for liberals and greens to support the likes of Fortuyn? How about Hindus or Catholics, is it okay for them to support Fortuyn? And what about blacks, hispanics and Asians, is it okay if they support Fortuyn? I think you get the point.

Likewise, it is wrong to discredit a person's valid position (such as free market) based on the persons other stance that supports criminal acts. Each position stands on its own merits and may be judge accordingly. As for a person judging how they want to think about Fortuyn, the whole package must be weighed.

IMO, any person that knowingly supports, advocates or perpetuates the initiation of force is unworthy of respect.

69 posted on 05/16/2002 6:54:51 PM PDT by Zon
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To: aristeides
A Dutch version of me would probably not have voted for Fortuyn. But I suspect Fortuyn got lots of people to think, who then voted against the multiculturalist Left (going Christian Democrat or the like) even though they couldn't quite bring themselves to vote for his movement/party.
70 posted on 05/16/2002 6:56:00 PM PDT by Southern Federalist
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To: xm177e2
Please remove me from your Bump list.
72 posted on 05/16/2002 6:58:54 PM PDT by Southack
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To: MeeknMing
That is what I understood, yes. The story is a hoax........

That is my understanding also.

73 posted on 05/16/2002 6:58:59 PM PDT by xJones
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To: xm177e2
Well. So much for Pim.

I was kind of a fan of the guy, but this is quite a disappointment. Hopefully the members of his party aren't pedophiles or sympathetic toward pedophilia.

BTW, thanks for the ping. I didn't bother me a bit. I guess, though, that these mega-pings could be a problem if lots of folks sent them out with any regularity.

74 posted on 05/16/2002 7:00:14 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: MeeknMing
So the quotes from his book are bogus?
75 posted on 05/16/2002 7:03:56 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: VinnyTex
"Paedophilia is just like hetero and homosexuality. It is something that is in the genes. There is little if anything that you can do about it or against it."

Looks like the "trigger man" last week found a cure.

76 posted on 05/16/2002 7:05:46 PM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: VinnyTex
What?! Has nobody mentioned Plato's Symposium . . . yet?
78 posted on 05/16/2002 7:10:34 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: MeeknMing
That is what I understood, yes.

Interesting. For a publication like Scotland on Sunday to make that kind of blunder is unusual, but not impossible I suppose. Since Elsevier Magazine is named as the source, if what you say is true, Scotland on Sunday has opened itself up to a lawsuit.

79 posted on 05/16/2002 7:11:51 PM PDT by beckett
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