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Fortuyn favoured depraved
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Posted on 05/16/2002 11:21:38 AM PDT by VinnyTex

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To: beckett
How can it be a smear? The quotes above are pretty unequivocal. Are you saying they've been created out of whole cloth?

Well, not out of the whole cloth; actually, Newt Gingrich said them. I've seen it four or five places on the internet so it must be so.

61 posted on 05/16/2002 6:42:21 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Southern Federalist
Too many people on this thread are confusing the opinion of condoning pedophilia with the fact of being a pedophile. If Fortuyn wrote such a column, that is only evidence of the former. One may disagree with such an opinion, but wasn't the essence of the man that he was brave enough to express outrageous opinions? Do we really want to disown such a man because he held some opinions we do not agree with, even in a state of war and emergency?

Politics is the art of the possible, which means it is necessary to strike alliances with people who agree with us on the basics. Excessive purism is a prescription for futility.

62 posted on 05/16/2002 6:45:51 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: xm177e2
Not only has Fortuyn's death won the sympathy of voters

I haven't followed this story at all, but this sounds not unlike Keizo Obuchi in Japan who was more popular dead than he ever was as Prime Minister.

64 posted on 05/16/2002 6:49:55 PM PDT by altair
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To: summer
Understand one thing, you post articles in this forum, I am a member of this forum, as such, I am free to comment on the things that you post. Just as anyone is free to comment on the things that I post.
65 posted on 05/16/2002 6:50:44 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: beckett
Are you saying they've been created out of whole cloth?

That is what I understood, yes. The story is a hoax........

66 posted on 05/16/2002 6:53:41 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: xm177e2
I said when the story first came out, and repeat now, the reason he is reported in the media as a "Right Wing" politician is because he is a former Communist/Marxist professor.

Former Left Wing = Right Wing. OK?

67 posted on 05/16/2002 6:54:19 PM PDT by Don Carlos
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To: VinnyTex
In his article, Fortuyn wrote: "Paedophilia is just like hetero and homosexuality. It is something that is in the genes. There is little if anything that you can do about it or against it. You are who you are? sooner or later the proclivity makes its irresistible appearance. It is not any more curable than hetero or homosexuality."

The fact that this woman spent all her time shrilly shrieking that this was proof of his appoval of "paeodophelia" should have been an indication that she had an agenda and had lost all objectivity.

This is the man's opinion on those who prey on children and he may or may not be correct. It's quite likely that pedophiles are incurable.

68 posted on 05/16/2002 6:54:24 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: xm177e2

This needs to be read. Fortuyn was evil, no conservative should support him just because he favored the free market.

Get rid of the myopia. Nobody should support criminal activities regardless of party affiliation, gender, race or religion. Or do you think it's okay for liberals and greens to support the likes of Fortuyn? How about Hindus or Catholics, is it okay for them to support Fortuyn? And what about blacks, hispanics and Asians, is it okay if they support Fortuyn? I think you get the point.

Likewise, it is wrong to discredit a person's valid position (such as free market) based on the persons other stance that supports criminal acts. Each position stands on its own merits and may be judge accordingly. As for a person judging how they want to think about Fortuyn, the whole package must be weighed.

IMO, any person that knowingly supports, advocates or perpetuates the initiation of force is unworthy of respect.

69 posted on 05/16/2002 6:54:51 PM PDT by Zon
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To: aristeides
A Dutch version of me would probably not have voted for Fortuyn. But I suspect Fortuyn got lots of people to think, who then voted against the multiculturalist Left (going Christian Democrat or the like) even though they couldn't quite bring themselves to vote for his movement/party.
70 posted on 05/16/2002 6:56:00 PM PDT by Southern Federalist
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To: xm177e2
Please remove me from your Bump list.
72 posted on 05/16/2002 6:58:54 PM PDT by Southack
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To: MeeknMing
That is what I understood, yes. The story is a hoax........

That is my understanding also.

73 posted on 05/16/2002 6:58:59 PM PDT by xJones
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To: xm177e2
Well. So much for Pim.

I was kind of a fan of the guy, but this is quite a disappointment. Hopefully the members of his party aren't pedophiles or sympathetic toward pedophilia.

BTW, thanks for the ping. I didn't bother me a bit. I guess, though, that these mega-pings could be a problem if lots of folks sent them out with any regularity.

74 posted on 05/16/2002 7:00:14 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: MeeknMing
So the quotes from his book are bogus?
75 posted on 05/16/2002 7:03:56 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: VinnyTex
"Paedophilia is just like hetero and homosexuality. It is something that is in the genes. There is little if anything that you can do about it or against it."

Looks like the "trigger man" last week found a cure.

76 posted on 05/16/2002 7:05:46 PM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: VinnyTex
What?! Has nobody mentioned Plato's Symposium . . . yet?
78 posted on 05/16/2002 7:10:34 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: MeeknMing
That is what I understood, yes.

Interesting. For a publication like Scotland on Sunday to make that kind of blunder is unusual, but not impossible I suppose. Since Elsevier Magazine is named as the source, if what you say is true, Scotland on Sunday has opened itself up to a lawsuit.

79 posted on 05/16/2002 7:11:51 PM PDT by beckett
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