Posted on 05/16/2002 11:21:38 AM PDT by VinnyTex
Fortuyn was evil...
Not that his homosexuality had anything to do with that, of course.
And Islam is a religion of peace.
Heck, just the fact that he was Dutch made him suspect in my book, the rest was just proof.
If this is true, why didn't Fortuyn's enemies, who demonized him in every other way, use the pediophilia charge before his murder? They called him every other name in the book.
My concern, though, is not with Fortuyn as political martyr, but rather that by calling someone a "right-wing extremist" you can give his murder a pass. The fact that Fortuyn was as far left as he was and the tactic still worked shows how effective it is.
Fortuyn is the canary in the coal mine of representative government. When the canary dies, it still sends a warning, whether the canary is homosexual or heterosexual, or straight or warped. He was not killed because he was a pedeophile -- he was killed because he would not support a wacko enviro-fascism. The press is O.K. with that, and that is scary.
How can it be a smear? The quotes above are pretty unequivocal. Are you saying they've been created out of whole cloth?
Fortuyn was certainly not my kind of person or politician. But what Fortuyn was personally, and what he represented politically are distinguishable. For example, is pedophilia an issue in the program of the List Pim Fortuyn? Did people vote for him because he supported pedophilia?
As a political phenomenon, Fortuyn represented the wake-up of a very permissive society to the fact that multiculturalism is not compatible with any version of western freedom, not just the extreme version of the Dutch. Western freedom, even if it is based on universal truth, is only honored in cultures which have cultivated the art of seeing and respecting such truth. Western freedom has many healthy and unhealthy versions, but there are some cultures which are incompatible with all of them. We have to choose between allowing such cultures to take root in our midst and continuing the tradition of western freedom. That is the important point Fortuyn saw and seems to have communicated to a lot of Dutchmen.
This is a very important move, because only the Left can end multiculturalism - if the Right had the power it would have ended long ago! It wouldn't end the cultural battle between Left and Right, but it would put the battle on healthier ground, if there was a consensus that no version of freedom is safe without an intentionally nurtured culture that respects freedom.
I think this is about the only sensible comment on this thread. If this story is true, it is now of interest only to Fortuyn and God, since Fortuyn is no longer involved in activities on this earth. If it could be shown that his fellow party members also promoted this idea, or that there is some necessary connection between this idea and the ideas of his party, that would be of interest, but there is no evidence of this.
The fact that an evil person supported a cause is not evidence of a problem with that cause. Benedict Arnold supported the American Revolution, but I do not think that this is an argument against the righteousness of that Revolution.
Yeah, well, generally i'd agree with you, but in my state of Arizona, my rep is Kolbe, one of the Log Cabin Republicans. He's pro-gun, anti-illegals, and gets at least 50% on the conservative voter indexes. At election time, if i have to choose between some Barbara Boxer-type idiot leftist freak, and Jim Kolbe, I'll be voting for Kolbe.
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