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The Mistaken Revolution - Vatican II
PipeBombNews ^ | May 20 , 2002 | William A. Mayer Jr.

Posted on 05/21/2002 10:07:10 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic

The Mistaken Revolution – Vatican II

By William Mayer, Editor & Publisher

In 1958 the Roman Catholic Church initiated a process of liberalization so widespread and fundamental that today, its repercussions are rocking the aged institution to its very foundation.

The unprecedented changes made in the wake of Pope John XXIII’s historic Vatican Council have produced the unintended consequences whose effects we now see splattered across the windshield of American culture, in the form of a torrent of accusations of priestly sexual abuse.

Catholicism is the oldest of the Christian sects and, until relatively recently, its most conservative voice.

Even the spirit of the Reformation was not able to affect the bedrock issues of Catholic orthodoxy – yet in one bloodless coup, manifest changes were promulgated which had the effect of subjecting Catholicism to a toxic dose of Protestantism - not that there is anything wrong with Protestantism, as long as you are Protestant.

While much of the non-Catholic Christian world had spun off into a secular and bizarre experiment with new ageism, the moral compass - the center - of the Catholic Church had, until the 1960s, held firm.

The core of these changes dealt with the perceived relationship between God and man, something which deeply touched every aspect of belief.

Since at least the Twentieth Ecumenical Council in 1869, the Church has been mightily aware of changes in the secular world, which tended to threaten and undermine faith and faith communities.

The new political philosophies celebrated the dual pronged Germanic imperatives; Hegelianism and Marxism. In addition the advent of modern scientific methods and theories pushed the limits of human understanding rapidly forward. All had the effect of establishing rationalism as the dominant mode of interpreting the physical world.

Rationalism seeks to order the world in a scientific manner, to make life understandable through human scrutiny. In such a setting belief and faith are often denigrated as lacking empirical vigor and being merely reliant on myth and legend.

The basic argument goes something as follows:

“The Bible, if taken literally, claims that the earth is only some 6,000 years old, since it has been scientifically proven that the earth is several billion years old the Bible is unreliable and certainly no basis for making the types of decisions that people have to make every day.”

Science and rationalism were potentially insidious because the intellectual tools they gave man empowered him in a way never seen before. Freed from myth and given alternative explanations for his place in the universe it redirected his vision away from the afterlife and towards the here and now; thus making man's more base concerns ascendant over the more elevated earlier viewpoint.

As a response to modernism, Pope Leo XIII called the Ecumenical Council to address the issues, out of which came his famous Encyclical, RERUM NOVARUM - Capital and Labor

In this groundbreaking document the Church dealt with the disparity between rich and poor - the dichotomy which Marx and others saw fit to exploit.

The official response to these troubling ideas was a loving reassertion of the idea of a personal God, a real identity who brought forth a universe out of nothing and who observes the unfolding of that creation to its ultimate end.

It also seemed to suggest that rationalism should not be feared because faith and science were not really incompatible. The Church argued that they were differing realms and therefore using the former to tear down the latter was inconsistent.

Against what must have been seen as the direct assault of new ideas, the Church held firm and while holding to tradition it relied on strict Biblical verse to charge the rich with the responsibility of helping and sharing with the poor and employing them in a fair manner. Most importantly it thoroughly and directly rejected socialism and Marxist dogma.

“Hence, it is clear that the main tenet of socialism, community of goods, must be utterly rejected, since it only injures those whom it would seem meant to benefit, is directly contrary to the natural rights of mankind, and would introduce confusion and disorder into the commonweal...It must be first of all recognized that the condition of things inherent in human affairs must be borne with, for it is impossible to reduce civil society to one dead level. Socialists may in that intent do their utmost, but all striving against nature is in vain. There naturally exist among mankind manifold differences of the most important kind; people differ in capacity, skill, health, strength; and unequal fortune is a necessary result of unequal condition. Such unequality is far from being disadvantageous either to individuals or to the community. Social and public life can only be maintained by means of various kinds of capacity for business and the playing of many parts; and each man, as a rule, chooses the part which suits his own peculiar domestic condition.”

The entire Encyclical is well reasoned and eloquently written. It is, above all, the high tide mark with regard to a straight and intelligible defense of traditionalism.

It is all the more remarkable given the intense nature of change taking place at that time and serves, therefore, as a testament to the value of eighteen hundred years of rigorously established conservatorship.

But dogma was debased after Vatican II. It was tossed, as ashes to the wind, while forces for "modernization" within the Church began to assert the primacy of the concerns of man over nearly two millennia of established theology.

The cannon shot was issued by John XXIII’s successor, Paul VI in the Encyclical - GAUDIUM ET SPES – The Church in the Modern World.

"...The joys and the hopes, the grief’s and the anxieties of the men of this age, especially those who are poor or in any way afflicted…That is why this community realizes that it is truly linked with mankind and its history by the deepest of bonds…Hence this Second Vatican Council, having probed more profoundly into the mystery of the Church…but to the whole of humanity. For the council yearns to explain to everyone how it conceives of the presence and activity of the Church in the world of today. Therefore, the council focuses its attention on the world of men, the whole human family along with the sum of those realities in the midst of which it lives; that world which is the theater of man's history…”

Out of this concern over the “grief’s and anxieties of the men of this age" Catholicism has come very close to substituting the worship of man for the worship of God. This is not said for purposes of shock, it is said as a statement of fact.

The externally visible changes in form and function since that time, are well known - a wholesales abandonment of tradition. It can perhaps best be demonstrated by the single most far reaching change to come in the wake of Vatican II, the abandonment of the beautiful Tridentine [Latin] Mass, which had been practiced since having been proclaimed by Pope St. Pius V in 1570 at the Council of Trent.

The traditional mass is a stylized veneration of and recreation of Christ’s sacrifice on Good Friday. It involves an altar, a priest and a victim [the host]. The priest performs the ceremony, with consecrated hands, his back to the congregation. The mass is conducted in Latin, its words an austere supplication for forgiveness and a sincere expression of thankfulness for the saving grace of Christ's ultimate sacrifice.

In this ceremony man’s concerns are placed in correct perspective, he is a sinner who has been given a reprieve by the intercession of a merciful God who gave his only Son as a sacrificial Lamb to atone for mankind’s offenses.

The new liturgy is without splendour, flattened and undifferentiated. It no longer draws us into the true experience of the liturgical year; we are deprived of this experience through the catastrophic elimination of the hierarchy of feasts, octaves, many great feasts of saints ... Truly, if one of the devils in C.S. Lewis' The Screwtape Letters had been entrusted with the ruin of the liturgy, he could not have done it better." Professor Dietrich von Hildebrand, The Devastated Vineyard.

Gone is the kneeling at the communion rail, the placing of the host on the tongue of the communicant by the priest, the kneeling by the congregation during the communion rite and genuflecting before the blessed sacrament, alien concepts such as frivolous dancing have been also been introduced.

Gone also are clear statements of what it means to follow in the shoes of the fisherman as follows:

“Therefore, we humbly pray and beseech Thee, most merciful Father, through Jesus Christ Thy Son, Our Lord, to receive and to bless these gifts, these presents, these holy unspotted sacrifices, which we offer up to Thee, in the first place, for Thy holy Catholic Church, that it may please Thee to grant her peace, to guard, unite, and guide her, throughout the world: as also for Thy servant N., N. our Pope, and N. our Bishop, and for all who are orthodox in belief and who profess the Catholic and apostolic faith.”

This is orthodoxy, this is Catholicism.

It was not written to be politically correct in order to avoid perturbing other Christian sects and it wasn’t written in English - it was written in Latin for purposes of precision and if you didn’t have the motivation to learn it maybe this faith was not for you.

In the modern mass even the host and the wine are cheapened, now only merely symbolic of Christ’s body and blood not the de-facto, real thing.

The changes in the Catholic liturgy almost exactly mirror the political and philosophical changes that have taken place in the secular world since the tumultuous '60s, in fact a timeline of the advance of liberalism within each sphere is almost 100% congruent.

In the United States the job of implementing the vague ecumenism, called for in Vatican II, has largely fallen to the National Council Of Catholic Bishops.

Fueled by a long string of poor appointments, primarily by Pope Paul VI [1963-1978], this group unfortunately came to be dominated by the very revisionist forces who now openly war against Catholic orthodoxy – that it took place at almost precisely the same time the McGovernites took over the Democrat party is instructive, for it again underlines that the nature of change in the Catholic Church is driven by the same faux homocentric concerns found in the political sphere.

The corruption of what is essentially the supreme governing body of the American Church is reflected throughout. The effects of the drastic changes, forced upon Catholic laity are reflected by the inability of the Church to recruit, train and maintain priests:

The real battleground is the seminaries, for it is here where young men intent on devoting their lives to God and duty to the Church will be trained, but it is becoming increasingly clear that young straight men of conservative beliefs are being turned away, in droves, by an entrenched pro-homosexual minority that is intent on promoting ultra-modernist theology and driving straights away:

"It seems to me that the vocation 'crisis' is precipitated and continued by people who want to change the Church's agenda, by people who do not support orthodox candidates loyal to the magisterial teaching of the pope and Bishops, and by people who actually discourage viable candidates from seeking priesthood and vowed religious life as the Church defines these ministries. ... I am personally aware of certain vocations directors, vocations teams and evaluation boards who turn away candidates who do not support the possibility of ordaining women or who defend the Church's teaching about artificial birth control, or who exhibit a strong piety toward certain devotions, such as the rosary." 1995 - Archbishop Elden Curtiss, former seminary director.

No greater authority than the Catholic Medical Association has issued the following guideline:

”There are numerous reports that mental health professionals who do not support the teachings of the Catholic Church on sexuality have been chosen to evaluate candidates for the priesthood and reject candidates who do accept the Church's teachings on the grounds they are 'rigid'. There are also reports that some mental health professionals do not report homosexual attractions and conflicts in candidates for the priesthood to diocesan officials or religious superiors.

"Mental health professionals chosen to evaluate candidates for the priesthood ... should be Catholics in good standing who support the Church's teaching on sexuality, life, contraception, homosexuality, celibacy of the priesthood, the Ordination on only men, and the hierarchical structure of the Church. ... Non-Catholics and Catholics who do not support the teaching of the Church should not be employed in this task." Catholic Medical Association, "Statement to U.S. Bishops" (11/1999)

The disastrous shortage of priests - artificially created by a relatively few but powerful carriers of heresy - is being used to argue for even more egregious changes – non celibate priests and worse.

Again we see the duality, the parallels between the infiltration of the liberal/progressive/socialist dictum into the secular world - especially into the governing elite within the Democrat party - and the simultaneous assault on the world of faith.

As the political infrastructure must answer for its sins, so must this liberal iteration of Catholicism.

The existence of priestly sexual aberration is a real and serious problem, as we have previously and repeatedly stated here – we have absolute zero tolerance for it, but its incidence is certainly overstated by a media that literally hates the Church because of its conservatism. At the same time the anti-Catholic press continues to push for additional changes that will only bring more of the same.

Stated plainly, the root cause of the majority of Catholic priestly sex abuse lies in an increasingly gay Catholic priesthood – it cannot be explained otherwise – celibate heterosexual men do not desire to have sex with men, let alone boys.

Contemporary liberal philosophy is wrapped in a strong pro homosexual agenda and it is this very same philosophy that has taken over so much of the Catholic agenda.

The time has come to make its supporters accountable for the moral outrage that they have wrought on this most holy of institutions.



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To: berned
A mild, hit-and-run question for Protestants, because I have to go paint my porch: Where in the Bible does it say sola scriptura?

You need some sort of teaching authority to interpret scriptures. The Jews had an oral tradition that went along with the Torah, and have developed many written traditions of varying authority as well.

The Theory of Evolution is not a point of Catholic doctrine. The Pope has said that Catholics may consider it, as long as they agree that all humanity is descended from a first couple, whom the Bible names Adam and Eve.

Personally, I think Darwin's General Theory of Evolution is a load of unscientific hogwash. But I don't believe that God probably created the universe around 4000 BC, because I find it hard to believe that He would have bothered to create all those fossils, ancient rocks, or a stellar universe that seems to require billions of years to produce the heavy elements--and faked the whole thing just to make fun of modern scientists.

Parts of the Bible are literal, parts are metaphorical, and parts are arguable as to which they are. I believe in the historical existence of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses. But it doesn't really matter, for the essentials of the faith, whether or not Job was a real man, or a figure in an extended parable told to illustrate a point. In the same way Jesus' story of the Good Samaritan doesn't depend on whether such a person ever existed. I reserve judgment on Job's historical existence, but not on the moral and spiritual lesson the book teaches. I believe in the actuality of Moses, because I believe that a real, living God acted in history, not in fable, and therefore spoke to and through particular people.

21 posted on 05/21/2002 11:34:46 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: johnqueuepublic
shocker: bureacracies, even in religion, act to solidify and maintain their power. franchise of man as in the state, or franchise of man in the name of a church, not God, incidentally. Thats why catholics and protestants dont tithe each other.

just something for consideration.

22 posted on 05/21/2002 11:35:36 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: johnqueuepublic
Because if absolutely everything in the Bible is taken as fact, you end up having to believe that the sun rotates around the earth.

Two questions.

1) Where in the Bible does it ever assert that the sun revolves around the earth?

2) If, as YOU say, the Bible is not to be taken literally, then why should Jesus's vague comment to Peter about "a rock" lead to the multi-trillion dollar Roman Catholic Empire with it's resultant Inquisitions where people were tortured and murdered for refusing to bow to Roman Catholicism's demand for subservience?

23 posted on 05/21/2002 11:35:59 AM PDT by berned
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To: berned
why should Jesus's vague comment to Peter about "a rock" lead to the multi-trillion dollar Roman Catholic Empire with it's resultant Inquisitions where people were tortured and murdered for refusing to bow to Roman Catholicism's demand for subservience?

because the church claims to be the only official church of Christ. but, Christ never said this. He gave two commandments, thats it. The preponderance of what He said about organized religion, the Pharisees and Saducees, was to condemn them.

the church, and others like them who claim to be the Way, when Jesus said "I am the Way", contradict this statement, the cornerstone of Christian belief.

to maintain power and control, a church or govt. must franchise SOMETHING, either salvation of soul or rights of man. without something to represent as a value to the subjects, they are robbed of relevance and power.

24 posted on 05/21/2002 11:43:33 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Cicero
But if you don't believe the Bible's Genesis account, why do you believe Jesus's words about rocks and keys to the kingdom, etc. Do you believe that in the Old Testament God was mostly lying, but in the New Testament, God cleans up His act and starts telling the truth?

What basis do you have for disbelieving Job was a real man who actually lived?

25 posted on 05/21/2002 11:46:30 AM PDT by berned
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To: johnqueuepublic
The real battleground is the seminaries, for it is here where young men intent on devoting their lives to God and duty to the Church will be trained, but it is becoming increasingly clear that young straight men of conservative beliefs are being turned away, in droves, by an entrenched pro-homosexual minority that is intent on promoting ultra-modernist theology and driving straights away:

I have heard this bandied about much recently, is there any (a sincere question, not an attempt to inflame) objective evidence for it?

26 posted on 05/21/2002 11:57:20 AM PDT by dmz
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To: berned
You seem to believe that since Catholics don't take the Bible literally, we don't take any of it seriously at all. It takes a little common sense, and some knowledge of history to know which verses of Scripture are to be taken literally and which are meant figuratively. Allow me to illustrate.

I'll paraphrase Jesus: "If it is your eye that causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it away. If it is your hand that causes you to sin, cut it off. For it is better to enter the Kingdom missing an eye or a hand than to be rejected whole."

If we followed all of the Bible literally, Christians would certainly be easy to identify, wouldn't we? Obviously Christ was using hyperbole to get his point across, that we should avoid the causes and near occasions of sin. He did this often. What do you think His parables were about, after all?

Taking the Bible literally and claiming it is the only outlet of the Word of God leads Christianity into an intellectual trap. Certain verses of Scripture clearly contradict each other if taken literally and no other knowledge of history and conventions of the time are taken into account. If it is all to be taken literally, and contradicts itself to the literal-minded reader, then it certainly loses its credibility real fast, doesn't it? This fact has been used to discredit Christianity, allowing secularism to take hold to the extent that it has.

As for the evolution and creation question, Catholics are free to consider whatever scientific explanation they wish, within reason. We do believe that man is descended from Adam and Eve. Some Catholics do believe that the earth is only a few thousand years old, and theorize that just as God created Adam as a grown man, He may well have created fossils for us to discover. Perhaps their purpose is that we are to satisfy our intellectual curiosity trying to find their origins.

27 posted on 05/21/2002 11:59:57 AM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: berned
Joshua commanded, [by the power of God] the sun to stand still to lengthen the day.

It follows that if that is the mechanism for lengthening the day that the sun roatates around the earth.

It was actually included as part of Scopes cross of Wm Jennings Bryan.

Evolution and faith are not incompatible.

29 posted on 05/21/2002 12:02:16 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
Well said X'er!
30 posted on 05/21/2002 12:03:51 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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To: allend
The people the Inqusition went after were probably a lot like Dashcle, Gephardt and Hillary.
31 posted on 05/21/2002 12:10:24 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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To: johnqueuepublic
It follows that if that is the mechanism for lengthening the day that the sun roatates around the earth

You misrepresented yourself. This was a miracle that occurred on ONE DAY ONLY. The Bible does not err scientifically in that it posits the sun ALWAYS, HABITUALLY, revolves around the earth, as your note # 19 implies.

If you believe that God created the heavens and the earth, you must accept that He reserves the right, (and has the power) to make miracles.

32 posted on 05/21/2002 12:15:10 PM PDT by berned
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To: johnqueuepublic
So it was TWO decades after Vatican I.
33 posted on 05/21/2002 12:18:16 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
If it is all to be taken literally, and contradicts itself to the literal-minded reader, then it certainly loses its credibility real fast, doesn't it?

You mean like the part about where Jesus makes a vague statement to Peter about him being "a rock", and a bunch of people said that that statement gives them the right to torture and murder people who refuse to bend their knee in submission to some guy in a pointy hat?

34 posted on 05/21/2002 12:18:51 PM PDT by berned
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To: johnqueuepublic
Actually, it was the Hitlerys, Dassholes, and Little Dicks that were running the Inquisition. From what I've read, the murderous excesses of the Inquisition were committed by state interests, killing off political opponents and rabble-rousers. They used the moral authority of the Church (for there was no separation of church and state in those days) to legitimize their lust for power. Kind of like the way Slick Willie was always seen in black churches around DC ;-)

The Church was culpable in that the popes knew this was going on, but didn't do much to discourage or put a stop to it.

35 posted on 05/21/2002 12:21:30 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: GipperCT
Forgetting that the Catholic church began as a split from the Greek Orthodox in 1054 are we? The Greek Orthodox church is the only church that can trace it's roots back to the Apostles.

A silly mischaracterization of Church history. Neither one "began" when the schism occured. Both the Western and Eastern Churches easily trace their roots to the apostles. The schism between them is the greatest wound to the body of Christ since the crucifixion.

36 posted on 05/21/2002 12:22:30 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: berned
Don't make me mention the literal-minded Puritans who burned witches at the stake in Salem...oops, I just did.
37 posted on 05/21/2002 12:23:31 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: berned
I believe in God's right to make miracles, I think the current meltdown of the Democrat party is one of them, but the inference is clear in the passage even if it is only for one day.
38 posted on 05/21/2002 12:24:40 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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To: Arthur McGowan; johnqueuepublic
Rerum Novarum was, by the way, discussed at FR last year primarily from a libertarian perspective:

Pursuit of Liberty: Rerum Novarum. 1-15, Man and Property
Pursuit of Liberty: Rerum Novarum. 16-30, The Church, the Rich, and the Poor
Pursuit of Liberty: Rerum Novarum. 31-47, The State
Pursuit of Liberty: Rerum Novarum. 48-End, The Civil Society

39 posted on 05/21/2002 12:26:24 PM PDT by annalex
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
Either way works for me, Clinton went to the Baptist Church in DC its not their fault.
40 posted on 05/21/2002 12:27:02 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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