Libertarian Solutions: Property rights in America: Your 'castle' is under siege

Libertarian Party ^ | May 24, 2002 | Bill Winter & Jon Trager

[TenthAmendmentChampion]

"Treating all [regulations] as ... takings would transform government regulation into a luxury few governments could afford," wrote Justice John Paul Stevens.

Too d@mn bad! The people own the U.S., not the opposite. It should be d@mn hard for the government to regulate or take property, and high expense (read "true cost") of land should be one of the prices it has to pay to take land or any other property.

[Zon]

Aric2000 wrote: I believe in the adage "Do what you want as long as it does not infringe on my rights" My rights as a property owner are infringed by this mans junkyard in his yard. It brings the value of MY property down. If he wants to move out to the country, get the proper permits and open a junkyard, hey hurray for his side, but to bring down my property value in order to do what he wants, and it is a matter of private property rights is a crock. If it effects me directly, he has NO right to do it.

Dane wrote: Well with that above italicized statement you have become an "enemy" to most of the Libertarian Party supporters on FR.

Dane, if you're even the least bit honest you'll agree that the following paragraph applies the same principle as the above paragraph.

How about when your neighbors property (nice house) is worth twice as much as your property (cheap house) but your property decreases the value of his property. My Your rights as a property owner are infringed by this man's cheap house junkyard in his yard. It brings the value of YOUR MY property down. If he wants to move out to the country, get the proper permits and build a cheap house, open a junkyard, hey hurray for his side, but to bring down your my property value in order to do what he wants, and it is a matter of private property rights is a crock. If it effects me directly, he has NO right to do it.

[tpaine]

As you've said before, dane, the silence is deafening, mainly because you are a complete howling lying fanatic about libertarianism. Get a clue

LOL! tpaine. You are the epitomie of the addage "You can't teach an old dog new tricks".

I'm sure you imagine that as a clever reply, dane.

It's not. It makes no sense. - It's a non sequitor.
-- We are both FR 'old dogs'. - You've never learned anything here. I've never stopped trying.

[Alan Chapman]

It is Libertarians that are behind these other seizures?

Libertarians oppose asset forfeiture and abuse of Eminent Domain. Some Libertarians, like myself, believe Eminent Domain ought to be repealed.

[VA Advogado]

The Solution to/of/for Libertarians: Prozac

[Alan Chapman]

I just think that it is up for the local community to decide and that the property owner get a fair market value for his/her property.

The only legitimate transaction is one in which the terms are agreed to by the buyer and seller. If a community (people other than the property owner) can subjectively assess property values and then seize the property then the concept of private property is meaningless.

[CaptIsaacDavis]

More agit-prop from the comrades at the LP...This site is supposed to be a "conservative" news forum.

[Alan Chapman]

More agit-prop from the comrades at the LP...This site is supposed to be a "conservative" news forum.

Do not concern yourself with that the site is supposed to be. If you have a problem then take it up with the management. Otherwise make an effort to contribute something relevant to the discussion or go find another thread to troll.

[Alan Chapman]

The Solution to/of/for Libertarians: Prozac

What is VA Advogado's solution for property rights abuses in America?

[tpaine]

Rino news forum? - Nope. == Anti-libertarian pulpit? - Nope:

"Free Republic is a place for people to discuss our common goals regarding the restoration of our constitutionally limited republican form of government. If people have other agendas for FR, I really wish they would take them elsewhere."

You two might give these words some thought.

[VA Advogado]

You two might give these words some thought.

I've yet to give one word of yours some thought.

[tpaine]

I've yet to see one word from you that showed any thought. You are all knee, jerk.

[tpaine]

And these words were written with sincerity, and thought:

"Free Republic is a place for people to discuss our common goals regarding the restoration of our constitutionally limited republican form of government. If people have other agendas for FR, I really wish they would take them elsewhere."

You have any objection to them?

[VA Advogado]

You have any objection to them?

I thought you stopped drinking after 5pm?

[Aric2000]

It's called a grandfather clause, if I move into a nice neighborhood, and then some guy next door starts collecting cars and junk and his yard starts to look trashy, AFTER I have moved in, then I have EVERY right to sue his butt. But if I move in and he has been doing that for years, then I can go fly a kite.

Where the devil did common sense go? I'd really like to know!!

[Aric2000]

If I own a house and it is worth 50% less then my neighbors house, well, hey, good for him, but the fact is the house is there, it was built, it had the permits, it had the property, etc.

Again I ask, where the hell has common sense gone? I would REALLY, REALLY, like to know!!!

[Aric2000]

You obviously own acreage out in the middle of nowhere, so you really don't care. If I live in one of those great little california style neighborhoods, what my neighbors do, effect me greatly. My rights and MY property values are just as important as my neighbors. YOUR rights end at the end of my nose, whatever you do that effects me directly and my rights as a private property owner is against MY property rights, therefore, if you intrude upon MY rights, I have every right to get legal recourse to make you stop.

Therefore if what you do on YOUR porperty effects the VALUE of MY property, I have every right to make you stop in whatever legal way necessary.

[CaptIsaacDavis]

I was trying to make a joke...poorly. Why is it that so many participants on this site seem to think that the only proper response is an insult? Real conservatives value civilization and civility.