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This isn't posturing - we're on the brink of a nuclear war
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 05/31/2002 | Ahmed Rashid

Posted on 05/30/2002 4:25:59 PM PDT by Pokey78

Jack Straw's departure from the Indian sub-continent - without securing concessions from either Pakistan or India - has left the situation where it stood on his arrival: the prospect of war and peace still hangs in the balance. India may launch punitive air attacks and commando raids against the camps of Kashmiri and Pakistani militants based in Azad or Pakistani Kashmir. Pakistan would retaliate against army bases in Indian Kashmir.

After weeks of fighting, with neither side being able to claim an advantage in the high mountainous terrain and as both become bogged down in raids and counter-raids across the disputed Line of Control, one side may attempt to break the logjam by crossing the international border and launching an invasion. Yesterday's cross-border shelling and the attack by Islamic militants on an Indian police station is another step towards war.

Or India may carry out a naval blockade of Pakistan's only artery to the outside world - the port of Karachi. India's huge advantage in troops and armour would quickly win it territory, which may force a desperate Pakistani military to use missile-launched tactical nuclear weapons on Indian forces.

The 55-year dispute over Kashmir, a legacy of the partition of British India in 1947, has led to two wars, many crises, military mobilisations, threats and counter-threats, which have lulled the international community into believing that this is an oft-repeated shadow dance. In fact, never has the situation been so fraught with danger as it is now.

The world is changed after September 11 and the international war against terrorism. India is furious that the world has ignored Pakistan-based Islamic extremists, who continued with their bloody terrorism in India and Kashmir even after September 11. India says it cannot join the world in fighting al-Qa'eda when the world ignores these attacks on its own soil. At the same time India believes that it can ignore the plight of the Kashmiri people, who have suffered 40,000 dead over the past 12 years of conflict. So India has used the global war on terrorism to push back dialogue with the Kashmiris.

Pakistan's military regime believed that it could comfortably carry out a U-turn on its support of the Taliban and join the US alliance to topple them, while the world and India would turn away from Islamabad's support for Kashmiri and Pakistani militants, who have turned the Kashmiris' genuine political struggle for self-determination into a jihad. The army's refusal to understand how much the world had changed after September 11 and its failure to offer anything other than militancy and terrorism in Kashmir gave India just the opportunity it sought to deal finally with Pakistan.

President Pervaiz Musharraf divides militants into three camps: al-Qa'eda and the Taliban; the sectarian extremists inside the country who have butchered thousands of innocent Pakistanis; and the "freedom fighters" of Kashmir. The world has now told him forcefully that there are no such distinctions. The Pakistani militant groups that fight in Kashmir also fought for the Taliban and al-Qa'eda in Afghanistan. The 29 Arab al-Qa'eda operatives arrested in Pakistani cities last month were being given sanctuary and safe houses by the largest Pakistani group fighting in Kashmir. All these groups are now closely interlinked, no matter how the Pakistani state tries to differentiate between them.

The Pakistan military's poor tactics have now turned the world against Pakistan. India has won the international community to its side and isolated Pakistan - but that has not made it amenable to de-escalating tensions, as there is a wider agenda. The hardline Hindu fundamentalist wing of the ruling BJP party has long argued that Pakistan has to be militarily beaten, so that it never again rises to question India's hegemony in South Asia. For them, the issue is not merely terrorism, but beating Pakistan into a final submission.

To his credit, the moderate Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee has twice taken major initiatives to talk to Pakistan. His inability to succeed has led to a strengthening of the Hindu fundamentalist wing. The BJP's recent electoral defeats in regional elections and the killing of some 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat state by Hindu fundamentalists have further weakened Mr Vajpayee's influence on the New Delhi power-brokers.

Gen Musharraf is also on the ropes. Last month's rigged referendum making him president for the next five years, fears of a rigged general election in October and the army's unwillingness to share real power with civilians have turned all the major political parties against him and continued army rule. For the first time in Pakistan's history, and with the experience of three wars with India, people are not rallying around the army to defend the motherland, but are demanding Gen Musharraf's resignation. Many people in both countries believe that he and the BJP would prefer the diversion of a limited war to the continued weakening of their political positions at home.

Meanwhile, the trivialisation of nuclear war by both armies and their macho ideologies - jihad and martyrdom on the one side, Hindu fundamentalism on the other - coupled with the elite's refusal to educate their public about the horrors of nuclear conflict, only add to the dangers. Many Pakistanis think a nuclear bomb just makes a bigger bang than an ordinary one.

So all these factors have come together to produce a crisis which is unprecedented, even in the constantly crisis ridden sub-continent. The danger of war is greater than it has ever been.

No one side is seeing the logic of a climb-down. And so enormous is the lack of communication between the two sides that anything could spark a conflict - a missile test gone wrong, another terrorist attack or a macho junior officer on the Line of Control wanting to teach his opponent a lesson. The need for international intervention has never been greater, not just to prevent a war but to force the two sides finally to resolve the Kashmir dispute.


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To: Pokey78
The parties are kicking a lot of dirt on each other right now. Trying to provoke the other, or prove their manhood for their constituents back home. The Indians are inclined to go, the Pakis are doing their best to dare them to cross the line.

The leftist paradigm allows the weaker Pakis to attack India without penalty, while India must show "restraint". India appears well past restraint at this stage. Add to that the muslim 'humiliation' issue, so that the Pakis feel obligated to respond to the Indian build-up. India attacks conventionally due to some provocation, Pakistan respond conventionally, but is soon overwhelmed in the air and at sea. Some Paki field commander, about to be overrun, resorts to nukes (Paki C&C is notoriously bad - Musharraf claims he has no control, doesn't know where the nukes are. If they're in the field as reported, even if under "loyal" commanders, their security is significantly at risk). India responds in kind, heavily. Total elapsed time: 3-5 minutes. The World's Shortest and Deadliest War.

If the Pakis simply backed away from the border and put away their toys, world pressure on India to do likewise would be impossible to ignore. However, that would be 'humiliating' to the Pakis ( It's a Muslim Thing, You Wouldn't Understand© ), so it doesn't seem likely. The US could put its troops in harms way. That would stop the Indis, but not the Paki terrorists. If India pulls back, the Paki fundamentalists would see that as a sign of victory and redouble their efforts. A "Mexican Standoff" of sorts.

Jihadis in Kashmir are the wildcard, no matter how many conversations occur between Washington, New Delhi and Islamabad, If the terrorists cannot be contained by Pakistan (mid-management seems reluctant) or blocked by India (unlikely), further attacks in Indian-controlled Kashmir and elsewhere will occur. If sufficiently provocative, they could push New Delhi to act decisively.
41 posted on 05/30/2002 5:46:29 PM PDT by My Identity
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To: AM2000
Let me explain the islamicjihadi mindset. They gave it before they had it. Howzat?
42 posted on 05/30/2002 5:48:48 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla;aristeides
The assassination of Ahmed Shah Massoud, head of the Northern Alliance, on Sept 9 2001 could be the equivalent of that Sarajevo assassination.

Recently, someone(pakistani, maybe) in England was arrested for providing fake credentials to the Northern Alliance for the jihadi 'TV" crew that had a bomb inside their camera.

43 posted on 05/30/2002 5:51:50 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: My Identity
they could push New Delhi to act decisively.

That would be a first!
You're on the money with the withdrawal and humiliation angle.
Plus Musharraf would probably get overthrown in a putsch. The fight for Kashmir is literally the uniting factor for Pakistan.

44 posted on 05/30/2002 5:55:03 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Standing Wolf
The war against terrorist savagry would be won by now, and the entire Islamic world would finally have understood there's no future in attacking the civilized world.

Rage respects no logic.

45 posted on 05/30/2002 5:57:32 PM PDT by mindprism.com
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46 posted on 05/30/2002 5:57:47 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Pokey78
If "India has won the international community to its side and isolated Pakistan ", including, it seems, some Pakistanis, and Mushy's true colors are showing up, we should promptly put Pakistan on notice. It seems isolated in the entire Muslim world and even by the Muslims in India!


47 posted on 05/30/2002 5:58:25 PM PDT by mikeIII
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To: AM2000
I firmly believe that Rummy is being sent there to explain our reaction to a nuclear strike. That would be as follows:

We immediatly go to the highest "DefCon". We seal off bases and arm our missles. We deploy the B-52s. We CAP Washington and the Pentagon is put on full "balloon has gone up" alert. All attack nuclear subs go to their target points with lauch codes. The President of the United States will be given the "football" armed and ready to broadcast launch codes, and he will have his finger on it. At that point all of our enemys will know this, if they want to take the chance, they'll have to decide then. If they decide to go with launch, we'll detect it and put mushrooms all over their front lawn, but we'll have enough in reserve to level anybody else who would take advantage of the situation. If it was China that launched against us, it is likely that we would have enough anti-missle, missles to bring down more than half of their 1st strike (they probably don't have a second strike scenerio due to a lack of warheads and vehicles. This is why I don't think that they would launch in the first place). This means we would suffer some "hits" on the west coast. Russia would stay out of this, because they could not benefit from the outcome. Any incoming warheads from anywhere would get a full retaliatory response, and then a second hit, just to make sure.

Rumsfeld is going to deliver this news to both of those hot heads. Let's just see how they deal with it.

Don't get me wrong, I deplore what could happen if this comes down. But, this just might settle the whole problem down. 25 to 30 million dead just might wake some Islamic Jihad a$$es up.

48 posted on 05/30/2002 6:10:46 PM PDT by timydnuc
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To: My Identity
Paki C&C is notoriously bad - Musharraf claims he has no control, doesn't know where the nukes are.

First of all, I don't believe that, but I'd be more shocked if he had said that. Where did you get that information?

49 posted on 05/30/2002 6:12:36 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: aristeides
This could be like the opening of World War One

But, given modern communications and transporatation, much faster. With Nukes! However the presence of the nukes is more likely a stablizing influence, tending to make other nations think long and hard before becoming involved...all but most of the Islamist countries, for whom thinking, let alone long and hard, appears to be something of problem.

50 posted on 05/30/2002 6:13:27 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: timydnuc
I think you're comments are fairly accurate.
51 posted on 05/30/2002 6:13:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: AM2000
Okay, best I can tell, we don't know how the Chinese ended up with part of Kashmir, and nobody really cares anymore, anyway.

Must be really choice real estate!

52 posted on 05/30/2002 6:14:52 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: DoughtyOne
Thank you. I of what I speak. It's a long story, and some of it is still "classified", but this is what is common knowledge.
53 posted on 05/30/2002 6:16:32 PM PDT by timydnuc
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To: Dog Gone
Someone in Hollywood had to come up with that name-- Jack Straw is perfect.

With Churchill we had John Bull-- the bulldog. With Tony Blair we have...the Scarecrow.

54 posted on 05/30/2002 6:29:07 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pokey78
The US needs to position any ABM technology it has to the area. Since India has said that they will not be the first to use nuclear weapons, any ABM technology should be depolyed to shoot down Pakistani missles.
55 posted on 05/30/2002 6:32:55 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: DoughtyOne
I don't think anybody can seriously suggest that the use of nukes would reduce both country's populations by 50-60%. There is a great tendency here at FR, as well as in most of the entire world, to believe that a nuke or two can wipe out vast populations.

It's not true. The size of the nukes these countries have are not large. Nukes are not nearly as destructive as I think some imagine.

56 posted on 05/30/2002 6:33:29 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: NC_Libertarian
I'm very concerned about this. It's playing right into the hands of the muslim extremists who may find an opportunity to get control of Pakistan (and nukes) should war break out.

Completely agree.

57 posted on 05/30/2002 6:35:00 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
So that means we need to have fallout shelters available next week. Where are we supposed to get them?

Quit whining! Get out there and dig one yourself! It's easy. Even a couple of girls can do it.

Here's how

58 posted on 05/30/2002 6:35:55 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: DoughtyOne
Imagine upwards of 15 million people gone in a matter of minutes.

Please, not to worry, Sahib. Half will be merrily boinking virgins in Paradise, and the other half will be reincarnated as lovely fireflies and glow-worms.

59 posted on 05/30/2002 6:38:06 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: shaggy eel
Shaggy, you once again have hit the nail on the head.
60 posted on 05/30/2002 6:38:17 PM PDT by rintense
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