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GOP Finds yet more evidence of Vote Fraud in 2000 Election
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Posted on 06/15/2002 12:03:13 PM PDT by FF578

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To: DoSomethingAboutIt
10 bucks says noone will do anything about it not even the Republicans

One could argue that analyzing the national RNC database and making these observations public is a start towards doing something about it. Will the media give it coverage? Will the states, and Washington, take corrective measures once (or if enough) people make an issue out of it?

-PJ

21 posted on 06/15/2002 3:50:58 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Swede Girl
The problem with investigating voter fraud is that Democrats invariably cry 'racism' when the subject is mentioned. Based on the Democrat response, one would have to assume that voter irregularities and outright fraud are a right African Americans deserve for all the discrimination and abuse they have suffered at the hands of whitey.
22 posted on 06/15/2002 3:58:02 PM PDT by Comus
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To: FF578
These figures show the futility of the GOP meeting in Philadelphia for its showcase "convention" in 2000. They would have been better served elsewhere if the goal was to get local votes in the convention city.
23 posted on 06/15/2002 4:12:56 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
Saved to review later.
24 posted on 06/15/2002 5:41:34 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE
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To: FF578
militaryvotes Lets also not forget:
25 posted on 06/15/2002 6:12:00 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater
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To: PDR
Good idea. I wouldn't mind voter fraud being a death penalty offense. 1,000 Florida/NY dual registrations is a very low estimate.
26 posted on 06/15/2002 6:20:12 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: FF578
"GOP figures said the numbers show the widepread potential for voters' fraud". (POTENTIAL???? Try "existance of" pal).

"These state voters' lists are terrible", said an RNC spokesman". (TERRIBLE???? Try "illegal", woossy).

"The RNC has not found--or looked for--any partisan pattern". (Why not, you turkeys?).

"We're not engaged in any finger-pointing", said the RNC spokesman. (Why not, are your fingers broken or something?)

No wonder the GOP gets its clock cleaned in precinct after precinct across the fruited plain.

Leni

27 posted on 06/15/2002 6:41:08 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: FF578
I am so glad to see the Republicans finally getting on this. I know it's been a pretty busy time in D.C., but it's like trying to turn the Titanic to get good things moving. DC seems to be able to wreck havoc though very quickly, re: death tax, farm bill, etc.
28 posted on 06/15/2002 6:52:49 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: ClearCase_guy
If the GOP pushed for electoral reform and sought money to implement it, we could nearly eliminate voter fraud in this country

There's an election reform bill before the House right now.

Give me a minute -- I'll go get the Bill # for you.

29 posted on 06/15/2002 8:06:57 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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30 posted on 06/15/2002 8:07:38 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: ClearCase_guy
Here ya go:

6. H.R.3295 : A bill to require States and localities to meet uniform and nondiscriminatory election technology and administration requirements applicable to Federal elections, to establish grant programs to provide assistance to States and localities to met those requirements and to improve election technology and the administration of Federal elections, to establish the Election Administration Commission, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Ney, Robert W.- Latest Major Action: 5/16/2002 Resolving differences / Conference -- House actions. Latest Status: The Speaker appointed a conferee for consideration of the House bill and Senate amendments, and modifications committed to conference: Blunt.
Committees: House Administration; House Judiciary; House Science; House Government Reform; House Armed Services; Senate Rules and Administration

It's on this page.

31 posted on 06/15/2002 8:15:53 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: MinuteGal
No wonder the GOP gets its clock cleaned in precinct after precinct across the fruited plain.

LOL! Calm Down, Leni.

I don't know who that RNC spokescritter was, but it does not reflect the views of the average RNC foot soldier. Election Reform is a big, BIG thing, and there's a bill sponsored by Bob Ney (see above) that will do exactly what is suggested in the above article.

Now, if this can get past the senate, we're in business.

32 posted on 06/15/2002 8:20:31 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: PDR
image the impact of finding 1,000 Democrats who are registered in Florida and in New York similtaneously

One of the biggest places to look is college towns and the home towns of the RAT students who will gladly double or triple vote.

A couple $5,000 fines would probably take some of the fun out of voter fraud.

33 posted on 06/15/2002 8:44:22 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER
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To: ClearCase_guy
Agreed. And I don't understand why. If the GOP pushed for electoral reform and sought money to implement it, we could nearly eliminate voter fraud in this country. The Democrats would probably lose 10% of their base (the dead folks, the felons, the double-dippers)

It doesn't take throwing money at it, it takes local Republicans who know who lives in their voting precinct or district to act as poll watchers and challenge votes of the dirtbag RATs who defraud the voters every time.

If you want to do something about it, dial up your state's GOP website and contact your local county or city chair.

34 posted on 06/15/2002 8:51:41 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
On election night I kept wondering how Sen. Rick Santorum could win re-election as PA Senator so easily, while Gore carried the state. It just didn't make sense. The Republicans have obviously done a great job gathering this information, but the question remains, will it get out? Will the general public hear this? No. By and large they will not. The Republicans remain C-students in Electioneering 101 - Getting The Message Out. The media remains firmly in control of the Democrats. And when Al Gore, Terry MacAuliffe, Tom Dashle, or Cynthia McKinney start yapping about how Bush "stole" the election, we will not hear a vigorous rebuttal - with facts to back them up - from the White house or RNC. They remain wimps. SO discouraging.
35 posted on 06/15/2002 9:46:51 PM PDT by Cookie123
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To: Comus
Based on the Democrat response, one would have to assume that voter irregularities and outright fraud are a right African Americans deserve for all the discrimination and abuse they have suffered at the hands of whitey.

Oh, I get it now.

Since they were originally called "three fifths of all other Persons," they are now entitled to five thirds votes.

-PJ

36 posted on 06/15/2002 10:52:05 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Cookie123
Just because I enjoy pointing this out, I'll explain once again the certainty of Democrat vote fraud in Florida back in 2000:

Pat Buchanan gets 8,000 votes in Palm Beach County, more (and by a ridiculous margin) than any other county in the state. The infamous "butterfly ballot" is to blame but this doesn't hold water.

For those who don't recall the ballot's layout, Bush's name was on the left and pointed to hole #3. Gore's name was directly below it and pointed to hole #5. On the right was Buchanan, pointing to hole #4 while the Socialist candidate was directly below Pat's with hole #6. If one wanted to argue it was strictly confusion, one could also argue that half of the mistaken votes were meant for Bush since the hole existed halfway between the two names (thus making the point moot for Democrat claims of a wrong result).

If one wishes to believe, as the Democrats and the media do, that Buchanan got 8,000 votes because confused grannies pushed it when they meant to vote for Gore, it would stand to reason the Socialist candidate would have also received a few thousand votes. He didn't. He received less than 200.

Buchanan, himself, expressed surprise that he did so well in Palm Beach County (an "Amen Corner" perhaps?) so one could surmise this really wasn't a landslide of Brigadeers either.

So, how do you explain the vote totals?

As a community with many senior citizens and a Democrat-controlled local governemnt, vote fraud would be fairly easy. A clerk could merely gain access to the death certificates of the past few years and check them against those names still on the voter rolls. They would then assign some flunkie to include these voters in the vote totals with pre-prepared ballots voting for Al Gore and the rest of the party slate.

Only the flunkie accidentally poked the ballots with hole #4 (Buchanan) instead of hole #5 (Gore), an easy mistake to make given Gore's position on the left side of the ballot just below G. W. Bush (hole #3). The flunkie's superiors only learned of the error after it was too late to correct.

Now comes the smoking gun. In a post-election story in the Washington Post buried deep in the first section, a mention appears that the Democrat Party contacted a telemarketing company in Texas to call back Palm Beach voters who "may have been confused" about the butterfly ballot and to contact their election officials about re-casting their vote.

Even if one accepts the cover story that a few befuddled grannies called Congressman Wexler and expressed their concern (one wonders how they were able to dial the congressmen on their rotary phones when they couldn't correctly punch ballot holes with arrows clearly leading to the correct holes to punch), there's no way he could have enough pull with the *national* party apparatus so as to take people away from precious get-out-the-vote calls to other states in order to call back people who had allegedly already voted in sufficient numbers before the polls in Florida had closed. That is, unless the national party realized the fix was in and needed to create a cover story for the clearly irregular vote totals.

Even a football stadium filled with addled old bitties wouldn't be able to get the national party to move that fast (before any of the votes had even been counted!) unless the national party already knew what was really at stake.

It's obvious, then, that the Democrats hatched the fraud scheme and, when their plan went awry, took unusual steps to come up with an alternate story that could be accepted and manipulated by a pliant press corps. Imagine if the person who created and approved the butterfly ballot had not been a Democrat herself!

And it was this flunkie, whose hand was undoubtedly directed by God to screw up the best-laid plans of deceit and fraud, that accidentally gave the White House to George W. Bush! That's why the Democrats are so filled with hatred and disgust toward Bush. Imagine how you'd feel if you rigged an election and STILL lost!!

37 posted on 06/15/2002 11:40:48 PM PDT by Tall_Texan
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To: Cookie123
The Republicans have obviously done a great job gathering this information, but the question remains, will it get out? Will the general public hear this? No. By and large they will not.

It doesn't matter if the general public hears it, just the Republicans who can be motivated to become active. This can only be done at the local level. It is the RATs doing the fraud, not the general public, and it's up to the GOPers to stop them.

All Republican FReepers should take this info and make sure it gets to your state, county and city Republican committees and their websites.

Mailings to primary GOP voters may net more potential poll workers, fraud detectors, phone workers etc.

The Republicans remain C-students in Electioneering 101 - Getting The Message Out. The media remains firmly in control of the Democrats

Absolutely...so do the colleges. But the RATs do not control the internet or the mail (well, maybe the mail.)

GOP FReepers......please copy/paste the pertinent information and in a professional manner, distribute it to concerned Republicans...especially those whom you know.

38 posted on 06/16/2002 6:41:20 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER
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To: FF578
Here in Los Angeles County, in 1996, authorities reported discovery of 16,000 fraudulent voter registration forms--40% of the total collected by three groups "associated with the Democratic Party". "Other counties reported similar findings" as reported in both local papers.

I read both papers assiduously and no further mention was ever made--of names, charges, indictments, arrests, trials, convictions, etc. I wrote several letters to editors asking what was the outcome and none of the letters was ever published--and no response of any sort was ever forthcoming.

Why am I not surprised?

--Boris

39 posted on 06/16/2002 9:13:15 AM PDT by boris
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To: FF578; All; kdf1; AMERIKA; Lancey Howard; MudPuppy; SMEDLEYBUTLER; opbuzz; Snow Bunny; ...

just for history's sake


40 posted on 10/28/2004 7:38:57 PM PDT by RaceBannon (KERRY FLED . . . WHILE GOOD MEN BLED!!)
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