THE JUDGE AS PROSECUTOR: TWO DAYS AT THE "TRIAL" OF SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC

Emperor's Clothes ^ | June 19, 2002 | Ian Johnson, Jared Israel

[duckln]

26th of July of 2003?

No, of 2002! He's said it so often to 'Mr' Nice, it's carved in stone. Mr. Nice has been shot down twice on the matter and is still banging his head against the 'dam' for an extention, but it ain't going to happen.

[Hoplite]

Does this mean you're going to have nice discussions with skinheads, or is it safe to view them as losers who took themselves out of the pool of potential conversation/debate partners by virtue of their political choices?

These two in question have prostituted themselves to a failed cause to the point where anything they say is useless to me - I'm sorry, but they could tell me Tuesday comes after Monday and I wouldn't act on that information until I looked at a calendar.

[Hoplite]

People have posted recent Pravda articles that were more factual than the Western press.

Which ones? Those written by Justin Raimondo?

Seriously, could you bring one of these articles to my attention here?

[vooch]

What is wrong in working for an atheist Hoplite

Hoppie's just trying the latest divide and conquer agit-prop to see if it sticks.

Please note that he still refuses to address the actual contents of the article.......Hoppie doesn't even try to make a case that these witnesses were credible, Instead he makes a lame attempt to change the subject.....

[Kate22]

Bluester - Unlike many on here I am actually in favour (in principle) of an international criminal court, but not adhoc tribunals, and not set up and funded by an interested party. That is just fake victor's justice.

We already have international laws, treaties and conventions - the very people who stamped all over these to disguise their aggression and crimes are the very people who seek one-sided justice. If a court is founded, then it needs to be done properly, but it never will be because the US will never support it. (Some of) us Europeans know that we're not infallible, but as the only current Superpower the US is hardly likely to allow its people to be judged by the likes of Del Ponte!!!

Hoplite: "Does this mean you're going to have nice discussions with skinheads?"
Many of the 'suits' are just skinheads in disguise nowadays anyway.

[botweiler]

First the verdict, then the "trial". We are all truly in the wonderland of Alice. Scary indeed.

[botweiler]

"What was surreal for me then was the thought of the baby boomers (I'm Gen X) running the press outlets that outright backed the bombing and uncritically presented the lies."

Not all "boomers" are bald faced hypocritical liars, but if I was gen x i might think otherwise. THIS boomer did everything possible (including temporarily suspending 2 websites and posting the news that was excluded) and losing friends trying to wake people up to the fact that the US was bombing a people and a country that had done them no wrong. So think twice next time, before you generalize, as I met countless gen x and gen y(or whatever they are) that could have cared less what was going on. Ever watch MTV?

"Robert McNamara, defense secretary for Kennedy and Johnson, published his book, In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam in 1996, in which he reveals he was a traitorous liar (how he walks around in public I'll never understand) and not only allowed US service members to die but pushed them to their death."

Even when the evil wolf came out of his dark slimy closet and spilled his guts(figuratively of course, he let his fellow countrymen do it for real) many if not most, who supported this immoral war STILL DO and still are angry at the protestors, which of course ol Macnamara himself proved were on the correct side. It's beyond amazing, its sickening.

"you would think the baby boomers writing the articles and questioning the government (Remember "Question Authority") would have been more circumspect."

(almost)EVERYONE has sold out. If you don't have at least 2 homes that you don't live in fulltime you havn't made it yet, and so you had better do as your (sold out) editor instructs. By the way, I'd bet you could come up with a few examples of "sold out" amongst the gen x'rs if you really tried.

[bluester]

Actually as you mentioned it, I did have once a nice conversation with some Slovenian skinheads (by pure coincidence) together with a friend (a Serb) that wanted to put some sense in them. I feared the worst, but nothing actually happened, it all stayed in the aree of debate (even without shouting let alone violence). I have absolutely no understanding for their mentality or actions, I find their views disgusting, but that doesn't mean I consider them monsters. Unless of course when it wouldn't manifestate only in words but also in actions (such as beating foreigners, people of other races or just anyone they disagree with). That's where the line is crossed. When physical violence is at play. What is even more scary is that some of them actually can be very intelligent (highly educated), even rational people when talking about regular things that you can even agree with, but when it's about race, foreigners they completely lose it. And the same goes for people claiming to be communists, socialists etc..

You may disagree with their ideology, but that doesn't mean they may be always wrong or that you can easily dismiss anything they might point out. Especially since it may not have much to do with their ideology, views. I guess this is my weakness, finding the good in people that I normally never would agree with. Just as I have been surprised (positively) by some people here on FR, that initially gave me an impression of intolerant, even hateful (towards certain people) through their posts while later finding out that it was only because of the specific topic that I had the impression. Overall they can be quite allright. I think you get the picture :)

[getoffmylawn]

Very thoughtful post. Thank you.

[getoffmylawn]

Bravo. Very nice.

[BrooklynGOP]

ahahahahhahahahaha. Nice source:

World Socialist Web Site www.wsws.org

Very objective.

[BrooklynGOP]

Here's some more info on your source:

The International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI) is the leadership of the world socialist movement, the Fourth International founded by Leon Trotsky in 1938. In all countries the sections of the International Committee fight to unite the world working class in a common struggle for social equality. The ICFI rests on the proud heritage of the movement founded by Leon Trotsky, co-leader with Lenin of the Russian Revolution. For more information on the history and program see the further reading list.

You finally show your true colors.

[BrooklynGOP]

See #55 + 56

[rdb3]

You have the nerve to post something on FR that comes from a socialist web site?

What's wrong with you? It appears that you have problems.

[MissAmericanPie]

I'm very curious as to why you would ping me to get my comment on this, you won't like what I have to say. Our US military would never, in a million years do this, it's a total lie, and explains why Bush trash canned the U.N.'s War Criminal Court because of just such slander as this.

I don't know what your agenda is, let me just tell you it has about as much chance of flying here as a lead baloon.