Posted on 06/19/2002 10:52:54 AM PDT by joan
Let me put it to you like this: If a socialist or a communist told me that the sky really is blue, I'd still go outside and check, just to be sure.
Now you state this: By the way rdb3 this is a global sight and if you just want to hear the people who have the same prejudices as yourself,you should stick to frequenting, your local Country and Western bars on a friday night.
Not so bad in the beginning, but you quickly went to ad hominem city.
Not so good.
Precisely. That's why once I clicked on your source I realized which fire your smoke was coming from. Now it all makes sense...
Because it is Socialist doesn't necessarily mean it is untrue. The contents ring in many ways true. Of course they have an 'agenda', but who hasn't. Their 'agenda' is very well known. They hold Trotsky and Lenin and want to accuse others of crimes against humanity?!?!?! Why don't you find me some pro american articles on their website.. Can ya?
None of this gets away from the fact that over 400 prisoners of war were unecessarily killed (massacred).
That's a fact? Since when?? It was a prison uprising. They had weapons. Michael Spann did not die of old age. The intent was there--you only had to listen to Rumsfeld at the time, I saw American military openly advocating killing El Queda and not taking prisoners on FOX news.
Rumsfeld clearly said that we are taking prisoners, but if they don't want to lay down their arms.... How is that different from any other war? And we did in fact take them prisoners, did we not?
By the way how come you lot can have an informed opinion on the events when it was remaindered on the American networks just after the deed was done. (And I am sure you did not want to think about it as well.)
So according to you, the uprising never took place?
By the way rdb3 this is a global sight and if you just want to hear the people who have the same prejudices as yourself,you should stick to frequenting, your local Country and Western bars on a friday night.
You can be pretty sure that any editorials from communist/socialist sources will be frowned upon here. We are familiar with their ideals, their goals, and their history has been well documented. I was born and lived till the age of 11 in a communist state. If I have a prejudice against communists/socialists then its from my own experiences, and that of my family and friends. My mind has been made up. Hence I am on FR - because communists are not welcome here.
I told you before. Don't read editorials, look at the facts and make up your own mind.
Good. We agree on something. NY Times is a leftist rag.
Fuhgedaboudit.
Which brings us back to your two skinheads and your taking at face value any of the 'facts' they present to you to support their views. I.e, if they tell you the Slovenian Finance Minister is, and 7 of Slovenia's largest banks are run by Jews, (I'm just making this up as a hypothetical, by the way) do you believe them or do you research the matter on your own?
In my view, I'm not lending them any credence and will check everything they say.
Much easier just to get your information from a better source, no?
And if it turns out that they help old ladies across the street in their spare time and have some interesting information in regards to a seperate topic, that's fine - but it doesn't repair the relationship between their views and their credibility in my eyes - the one erases the other.
As far as the communists/socialists are concerned, all I actually wanted to say is that even among them there are differences, not all of them are Leninists, Maoists, Stalinists or Milosevic supporters. Even if they critisize NATO or the Hague court, it doesn't mean they like Milosevic or the kind of policy. I also wouldn't throw them automatically in the same bag as Neo-nazis that support Hitler and his policy. Especially since many of them don't promote a hateful, intolerant or even violent actions as is the case with the neo-nazis.
As for believing people, I would definetely research the matter on my own, no matter how close they may be to me in ideological views or in any other way. I don't take everything for granted, that's for sure.
On the other hand, proponents of failed systems, who carry their beliefs forward through historical denial and revisionism, hold no interest for me.
They are curiosities to be viewed for amusement purposes only.
And yes, trust is earned, whether talking about friends, pundits, government spokespersons, or even fellow Freepers.
I would not. Socialists or communists are perfectly capable of speaking truth as well as people from the right are capable of telling the lies.
The best way to discern the truth is to listen to the all sides instead of believing blindly YOUR party line. You might become similar to a Communist if you do not think on your own.
Simone Weil (French woman philosopher) said - "The Truth is a refugee from the camp of winners".
But I don't have or belong to a "party." Therefore, the charge of "believing blindly" is dismissed with prejudice. I'm a conservative free-agent.
One more thing, I absolutely loathe communists and socialists with a passion that is indescribable. Since I admitted this, it shouldn't be a stretch to see my logic in not listening to a thing they have to say.
Well, but do not expect others to be so passionate.
I never raised an expectation on anyone.
However, for a conservative not to be "passionate"[ly] against communism and socialism is suspect in my eyes. The two ideologies mix just like oil and water: they don't.
and...
You might become similar to a Communist if you do not think on your own.
What's wrong with being a communist? According to you, they are an honest bunch.
Mistaken worldview. Atheism.
According to you, they are an honest bunch.
No, only SOME of them are honest. Same with the anti-communists.
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