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THE JUDGE AS PROSECUTOR: TWO DAYS AT THE "TRIAL" OF SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC
Emperor's Clothes ^ | June 19, 2002 | Ian Johnson, Jared Israel

Posted on 06/19/2002 10:52:54 AM PDT by joan

By Ian Johnson
Leigh, Lancashire * UK
[Posted 19 June 2002]
NOTE: For audio of 'trial' go to http://hague.bard.edu/video.html
For transcripts, go to
http://www.un.org/icty/latest/index.htm

Introduction: Ian Johnson recounts an incident that occurred while he was attending the Milosevic 'trial' at The Hague on June 7th:

"During the morning break I met a young Dutch lad in the lobby. He was studying medicine in Vienna but was staying for the summer with his grandfather in Holland. He was curious about the Milosevic case. Of course he couldn't find it on the television. So he'd come over to watch with his own eyes. He saw me taking notes and approached me. He wanted to see if I was thinking what he was thinking. His English was excellent. He said, "I don't know that much about the issues, but anyone can see this isn't a proper trial, is it? The Judge is totally against him. In fact he's openly contemptuous of Mr. Milosevic, isn't he? What's going on here?"

I work as a paralegal in the UK. So for me, the perversion of justice I had just witnessed - and with a British judge presiding! - was infuriating. But here was this young Dutch lad, not in the legal profession or involved in defending Mr. Milosevic at all, but a thinking person, and he was horrified as well. He wanted to know why his country was supporting such a travesty. This is why they have stopped showing the proceedings on television. Because the people, and especially the young people, wouldn't stand for it, would they?"

Here is Ian Johnson's account of:

TWO DAYS AT THE "TRIAL" OF SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC

To spend one day at The Hague Tribunal is enough to confirm the worst of suspicions. What is actually taking place in the heart of 'democratic' Europe is a show-trial so blatant, so lacking in legality, that it brings shame to those who are participating in it and to those who refuse to challenge it.

The history of the Tribunal's formation and funding is well documented. Originally an idea that emanated from the United States Department of the Army, it was brought into being via the UN Security Council in its Resolutions 808 and 827 of 1993. Not only was this act legally invalid, being that the Security Council had no authority in judicial matters to establish such a Tribunal, but its creation also involved a reinterpretation of the UN Charter.

Canadian lawyer Christopher Black observed the following:

"...the UN is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of its members, a fundamental principle of international law and the first guarantee of the right to self-determination of the world's peoples. If a people do not have the right of sovereignty, the right to self-determination is a sham. This principle is completely denied by the creation of the Tribunal. The UN Charter states that nothing contained in the Charter shall authorise the UN to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state. This fundamental principle, put in the Charter so that the UN could not be used by some members to bully others has also been fatally undermined by the creation of the Tribunal. The members of the Security Council, more precisely, the permanent members, now hold the opposite position, and I submit, do so for reasons connected more with imperialism not humanitarianism." (1)

The Tribunal's funding exposes its political character. Much of it comes from the US government through cash and equipment, with other notable contributors being the Rockefeller family, Time-Warner, who own CNN and have exclusive rights to broadcast the trial, and American billionaire financier George Soros. The Soros connection is significant. The Coalition for International Justice (CIJ), founded and funded by George Soros, supplies many of the Tribunal's legal staff. The George Soros foundation, the Open Society Institute, is one of the parties that obtain evidence for the Tribunal, and most tellingly, the Open Society Institute funds the main KLA newspaper in Pristina, a fact that has not been mentioned once by the western media.

POLITICAL BIAS IN ACTION

Even if one had no knowledge of the Tribunal's history, a brief visit to Courtroom One of the Hague Tribunal to witness the trial of Slobodan Milosevic would immediately give cause for concern.

Unlike the practice in criminal courts The Hague court itself is involved in the laying of charges and the approval of one of the trial judges must be obtained before a charge can be laid.

This extraordinary relationship between the prosecution and judges undermines the right of the accused to a presumption of innocence. Furthermore this close relationship can be witnessed in the day to day proceedings at The Hague.

I visited the Tribunal during the first week of June 2002 and can bear witness to the various ways this hand in glove operation of prosecutor and judge appears in practice.

I heard the testimony of several prosecution witnesses during the sessions I attended.

Each witness gave their, sometimes lengthy, statements that were then elaborated on by the prosecution and on occasions involved photographs and maps. At no time during this process did the judge, Richard May, stipulate a time limit on the prosecution. Yet when it was the turn of Mr Milosevic to cross-examine the witness, Judge May would instruct that a time limit be put on proceedings. At one point, in response to protests from Mr Milosevic, Judge May arrogantly proclaimed, "We are the judges Mr Milosevic and we have judged that you will have forty-five minutes to cross-examine this witness." (7th June 2002).

Basically a cross-examination should take as long as it takes, be it ten minutes or ten hours, especially as the accused is facing the gravest charges any human being can face. But in the peculiar rules and procedures of this particular court, the trial judges will ensure that this is not the case.

Additionally, the Tribunal has been given the absolute authority to devise its own rules and procedures, an unheard of situation in any other circumstance.

When we come to the way the judges attempt to 'protect' the prosecution witnesses from any piercing cross-examination of their statements the full political bias of the court is revealed. I understand from other reports that this is a daily occurrence, however I will limit myself here to what I personally witnessed.

On the 6th June prosecution witness Mr Buyo, a KLA commander in the Racak zone during 1999, in his testimony relating to events surrounding the alleged Racak 'massacre', initially claimed that Serbian security forces had opened fire first.

However, later in his testimony when explaining the KLA's actions, he testified that his own forces had merely fired warning shots into the air so as to alert their colleagues of the approaching Serb forces.

Mr Milosevic seized on this discrepancy and pointedly asked the witness, "Why, if it was true that the Serbian security forces had fired first, was it necessary to fire warning shots into the air?" A quite reasonable assumption one would have thought. If you are under attack there is no need for any colleague of yours to fire shots in the air warning you of an approaching enemy.

Mr Milosevic attempted to drive home the significance of this discrepancy at which point, with the witness clearly in trouble, Judge May intervened and instructed, "Move on Mr Milosevic, you have laboured this point enough. Go on to another question." Mr Buyo was off the hook.

A further witness, who admitted his brother was a member of the KLA, claimed he was an eyewitness to a 'massacre' of civilians in his village near Bela Crkva

He testified that Serb forces had entered his peaceful village, separated the women and children from the men and proceeded to execute seventy men, women and children.

In his cross-examination (time limit imposed) Mr Milosevic asked why, if they killed seventy men, women and children so indiscriminately, would they bother separating them in the first place? After a lengthy silence from the witness Judge May interjected, "I don't think you can expect the witness to know that."

The witness's credibility was further undermined when he denied any knowledge of the KLA kidnapping of both Serb and Albanian residents in his village just a few weeks earlier, claiming he must have been away at the time and upon his return no villagers mentioned it to him. Up to that date the kidnapping was the biggest event to occur in his village for years, yet, as a life long resident there, he had never even heard about it.

Proceedings were taking a predictable course. It didn't take much insight to grasp the following: A) The witnesses told a well-rehearsed story. B) If the witnesses got into difficulties during the cross-examination the Judge would intervene.

INADEQUATE WHEN CHALLENGED

This observation was further confirmed with the appearance of one Mr Ian Robert Hendrie, a member of the London Metropolitan Police who had been seconded to the OSCE and was part of the verification mission in Racak headed by William Walker.

Mr Hendrie told of his observations while he was touring the Racak 'massacre' site, using several photographs that he had taken personally.

Under cross-examination, when asked if he toured the site alone or if somebody had showed him around, he replied that the latter was the case. "Who showed you around the site?" enquired Mr Milosevic. "I don't know," was the astonishing response.

Here was a member of the verification team who could not verify who it was that told him about the 'massacre' and showed him the supposed evidence. But apparently Mr. Hendrie's testimony, dependent as it was on a guide and translator whom he could not identify, was neverthless acceptable, because Judge May impatiently instructed Mr. Milosevic to move on to another question.

However the other questions got Mr Hendrie into deeper trouble. He could not explain why his photographs showed only patches of blood and not pools as would be expected. Nor could he explain why no person's blood had spilled onto another person's body, which it was logical to assume would have been the case if all these bodies, densely packed together, had been killed simultaneously at this one specific place.

Enter Judge May. "The witness is not a forensic expert and cannot be expected to know these things." In other words, Mr. Hendrie's expertise had a dual nature. It was sufficient when he was testifying against Mr. Milosevic, but woefully inadequate when he was challenged.

Comments such as this, which pepper the trial every day, might be expected from the prosecution, but from a supposedly neutral trial Judge?

When asked by the defendant if he had ever heard of the 'paraffin test', (a test which can determine if a person had recently handled a firearm), Mr Hendrie didn't answer but left it to Judge May to announce that, "This test has been discredited" to which Mr Milosevic added with a touch of sarcasm "But only in the USA, not in Yugoslavia."

Mr Yemeni was the last prosecution witness I observed during my June visit. In his statement he claimed to have witnessed the killing of civilians in his village in Kosovo. He claimed he was hiding in his attic from where he supposedly witnessed the 'killings' and also overheard Yugoslav commanders communicating on mobile phones and comparing the number of dead with the number of dead at Racak. Mr Yemeni, at the age of twenty-four, was Mayor of his village.

Below I paraphrase excerpts of the cross-examination:

Mr Milosevic. "Are you a member of the KLA?"

Mr Yemeni. "No."

Mr M. "Are you a member of any political party?"

Mr Y. "Yes"

Me M. "What is your party called?"

Mr Y. "The Democratic Party"

Mr M. "Who is the leader of your party?"

Mr Y. "Mr. Thaci." [Mr Thaci was a leader of the KLA in 1999]. ***

Mr M. "When did you join this party?"

Mr Y. "I don't know."

Mr M. "You don't know when you joined? All right. Approximately when did you join?"

Mr Y. " I don't know"

Judge May. "Mr Milosevic, move on, it is not relevant when he joined the party."

Mr M. "It is very relevant. However. How is it that you were Mayor of your village at such a young age? This is very unusual."

Mr Y. " I was Mayor because I represent modern civilisation, unlike the backward Serbs. Modern civilisation that we are now building in Kosovo needs leaders like myself to take them out of the backwardness that Serbs kept them in. We are building a civilisation that is modern and we need intelligent people like me."

Judge May allowed this racist diatribe to go on without comment.

Mr M. "I didn't know I was talking to an intellectual. However, let me ask you about the conversations that you say you overheard between commanders. Where were you when you overheard these conversations?"

Mr Y "Hiding in the attic of my house."

Mr M. "And what was the position of the soldiers who were using their phones?"

Mr Y. "On the balcony of a house facing my attic window."

Mr M. "Which is how far away?"

Mr Y. "Fifteen metres."

Mr Milosevic holds up a photograph for the witness that shows the houses in question.

Mr M. "As you can see there is no balcony facing your attic. And the nearest house is more like fifty metres away. Is that right or not?"

Mr Y. "No."

Judge May. "Move on Mr. Milosevic. The witness has told you his position."

Mr M. "Very well. As there were no KLA in your village, as you say, and therefore the villagers saw no reason to flee, as you say in your statement, why then did you feel it necessary to hide in your attic?"

A lengthy silence followed. Then the witness resumed his anti-Serb rhetoric of fighting for a modern civilisation against the darkness of the Serbs. At no point did Judge May direct the witness to answer the question or attempt to stop the racist language being used by Mr Yemeni.

Mr M. "All right. When the Security Forces were in your village what was the atmosphere like?"

Mr Y. "It was frightening. The Serbs were firing their guns into the air all the time and shouting and screaming at the civilians. They were like wild men."

Mr M. "So above this frightening noise, above the firing of guns, above the shouts and the screams you were able, even from, as you insist, fifteen metres away, you were able to hear telephone conversations?"

Mr Y. "We represent a modern civilisation, that's what intellectuals like myself are fighting for."

Mr. Milosevic repeated the question.

Judge May. "Have you many more questions for this witness Mr Milosevic?"

Mr M. "I have about forty more questions."

Judge May. "Well I am giving you ten more minutes with this witness."

Mr M. "That just shows the bias of this court as I have said previously."

Turning to the prosecution witness Mr Milosevic continued.

Mr M. "From what position did you observe the killing of the civilians?"

Mr Y. "From my attic window."

Mr M. "All the killings took place outside your attic window?"

Mr Y. "I can observe all the town from my attic. I can move around."

Mr M. "So with all this killing going on you felt secure enough, just fifteen metres away from the Security forces, to be able to move around your attic?"

Mr Y. "With all the noise no one could hear me so I was secure."

Mr M. "So the noise was so great that the Security forces could not hear you moving around, but the noise wasn't loud enough to prevent you from listening to a telephone conversation at least fifteen metres away from your position. Is that right or not?"

Judge May. "Your time is up Mr Milosevic. Mr Yemeni, I would like to thank you for coming to give evidence to the International Tribunal and you are now free to go."

THE SCALES OF JUSTICE

As I perused Courtroom One with its judges, lawyers, secretaries and legal clerks, I realised that these people, working for this particular Tribunal, had sold their dignity and the dignity of their profession to the New World Order.

The essence of this Tribunal is summed up perfectly by lawyer Christopher Black:

"No citizen of any country in the world would consider themselves fairly tried before a court that was paid for, staffed and assisted by private citizens or corporations which had a direct stake in the outcome of the trial and who were, themselves, in practical terms, immune from that court. It is a well established principle of law that a party in a legal action, whether civil or criminal, is entitled to ask for the removal of any judge sitting on the case when there exists a reasonable apprehension of bias. In this instance, a compelling argument can be made that the bias is not only apprehended, it is real, that it is not of one judge but of the entire tribunal, that this is not a judicial body worthy of international respect but a kangaroo court, a bogus court, with a political purpose serving very powerful and identifiable masters. To be consistent with my thesis I will go further and say that as a political instrument designed to violate, to destroy the integrity and sovereignty of a country, its creation is a crime against peace under the Nuremberg Principles. Instead of resolving conflict as it claims, it is used to justify conflict, instead of creating peace, it is used to justify war and therefore is an instrument of war."

During the trial session of Friday 7th June Mr. Milosevic complained to the court that he had not as yet received a copy of the statement made by William Walker, head of the OSCE and a vital prosecution witness. Mr Walker was due in court the following Monday. Judge May said he would look into this.

The prosecution has been preparing their case for years, their witnesses are well rehearsed, hearsay evidence is accepted, as is secret testimony, and cross-examination time is restricted. Yet, as if that wasn't enough, witness statements are withheld from the accused until a few hours beforehand, giving little time for the defence to prepare the cross-examination.

Add to this the physical and psychological conditions that Mr Milosevic and other Yugoslav prisoners are subject to. They are treated as if they have already been convicted, being kept in cells and under constant surveillance, having their mail censored, family visits restricted, any communication with their families to be at their own expense, and restrictions on what they can see or hear on radio or television.

And, especially in the case of Mr Milosevic, a refusal to allow him to meet with the legal advisors of his choice. Several prisoners have already died while in custody and to the shame of organisations such as Amnesty International, no investigation into these deaths has been forthcoming.

Despite all this Mr Milosevic is bravely using the Tribunal as his battleground to defend his people and his country and expose the real culprits for the wars and break-up of the Balkans, Nato and the International Monetary Fund. He stated his position very clearly in his 11th December 2001 pre-trial appearance: "I can tell you that I am proud that I commanded the armed forces of Yugoslavia..I am here as a punishment for standing up against the danger of the biggest tyranny that has threatened mankind."

The Milosevic trial is expected to last two years, yet no matter how long a trial takes, no matter how many well-rehearsed prosecution witnesses are wheeled in, if the outcome is predetermined, then it is a show trial.

The resistance shown by the former President of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, against overwhelming odds, should serve as encouragement to all those who oppose the wars, poverty and suffering inherent in the creation of a New World Order.

Ian Johnson June 2002
Mr. Johnson can be reached by email at

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Further Reading:

1) In 'The Other Side of the Story', two retired Yugoslav Army generals refute the charges against Slobodan Milosevic and other Yugoslav leaders point-by-point. Their sources include Yugoslav Army documents never before available. The original source material and reasoning refutes the 'tribunal' indictments and at the same time the narrative is informative, interesting and hard to put down. You can download the entire book at
http://www.icdsm.org/more/book.htm
Or load one chapter at a time, starting with Chapter One at
http://emperors-clothes.com/book/book1.htm

2) "An Impartial Tribunal? Really?" by Christopher Black. Can be read at
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/Impartial.htm

3) 'Unjust from the Start, Part IV: Learning from the Inquisition,' by Yugoslav law professor Kosta Cavoski is part of his series on The Hague 'tribunal.' It can be read at
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/cavoski/c-4.htm

Prof. Cavoski's series is a good introduction to The Hague 'tribunal.' You could begin with Part I, "Unjust from the Start: The War Crimes Tribunal vs. General Djordje Djukic," at
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/cavoski/c-1.htm

4) Attorney John Philpot wrote in asking if there was documentation of the charge that Hague Prosecutor Arbour conferred with Western regimes before indicting Pres. Milosevic. Read his letter, and the documentation at
http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/philpot.htm

5) In 'For Whom the Bell Tolls,' editor Jared Israel warns that the injustice at The Hague is a communicable disease...Can be read at
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/tolls.htm


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To: SANDNES
That you would defend using such a site is telling.

Let me put it to you like this: If a socialist or a communist told me that the sky really is blue, I'd still go outside and check, just to be sure.

Now you state this: By the way rdb3 this is a global sight and if you just want to hear the people who have the same prejudices as yourself,you should stick to frequenting, your local Country and Western bars on a friday night.

Not so bad in the beginning, but you quickly went to ad hominem city.

Not so good.

61 posted on 06/23/2002 9:29:54 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: SANDNES
There is no smoke without fire as the saying goes.

Precisely. That's why once I clicked on your source I realized which fire your smoke was coming from. Now it all makes sense...

Because it is Socialist doesn't necessarily mean it is untrue. The contents ring in many ways true. Of course they have an 'agenda', but who hasn't. Their 'agenda' is very well known. They hold Trotsky and Lenin and want to accuse others of crimes against humanity?!?!?! Why don't you find me some pro american articles on their website.. Can ya?

None of this gets away from the fact that over 400 prisoners of war were unecessarily killed (massacred).

That's a fact? Since when?? It was a prison uprising. They had weapons. Michael Spann did not die of old age. The intent was there--you only had to listen to Rumsfeld at the time, I saw American military openly advocating killing El Queda and not taking prisoners on FOX news.

Rumsfeld clearly said that we are taking prisoners, but if they don't want to lay down their arms.... How is that different from any other war? And we did in fact take them prisoners, did we not?

By the way how come you lot can have an informed opinion on the events when it was remaindered on the American networks just after the deed was done. (And I am sure you did not want to think about it as well.)

So according to you, the uprising never took place?

By the way rdb3 this is a global sight and if you just want to hear the people who have the same prejudices as yourself,you should stick to frequenting, your local Country and Western bars on a friday night.

You can be pretty sure that any editorials from communist/socialist sources will be frowned upon here. We are familiar with their ideals, their goals, and their history has been well documented. I was born and lived till the age of 11 in a communist state. If I have a prejudice against communists/socialists then its from my own experiences, and that of my family and friends. My mind has been made up. Hence I am on FR - because communists are not welcome here.

65 posted on 06/23/2002 9:39:45 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: SANDNES
Give me an example of what you think is an 'objective source' Go on I dare you!

I told you before. Don't read editorials, look at the facts and make up your own mind.

66 posted on 06/23/2002 9:40:59 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: SANDNES
I would do the same with the New York Times.

Good. We agree on something. NY Times is a leftist rag.

67 posted on 06/23/2002 9:41:26 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: SANDNES
The New York Times is a socialist rag. Need I say more?
68 posted on 06/23/2002 9:54:20 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: SANDNES
I was wrong on that comment!

Fuhgedaboudit.

69 posted on 06/23/2002 9:58:50 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: bluester
I would point out that this article is a manifestation of these two's ideology.

Which brings us back to your two skinheads and your taking at face value any of the 'facts' they present to you to support their views. I.e, if they tell you the Slovenian Finance Minister is, and 7 of Slovenia's largest banks are run by Jews, (I'm just making this up as a hypothetical, by the way) do you believe them or do you research the matter on your own?

In my view, I'm not lending them any credence and will check everything they say.

Much easier just to get your information from a better source, no?

And if it turns out that they help old ladies across the street in their spare time and have some interesting information in regards to a seperate topic, that's fine - but it doesn't repair the relationship between their views and their credibility in my eyes - the one erases the other.

70 posted on 06/23/2002 11:27:52 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: SANDNES
Ah yes, there you are wielding influence and winning support.
Go bother someone else, euroweenie.
Keep up the good work, Sandnes.
71 posted on 06/23/2002 11:42:29 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
I must admit you've made a pretty good point, and it's hard to argue with it. :(

As far as the communists/socialists are concerned, all I actually wanted to say is that even among them there are differences, not all of them are Leninists, Maoists, Stalinists or Milosevic supporters. Even if they critisize NATO or the Hague court, it doesn't mean they like Milosevic or the kind of policy. I also wouldn't throw them automatically in the same bag as Neo-nazis that support Hitler and his policy. Especially since many of them don't promote a hateful, intolerant or even violent actions as is the case with the neo-nazis.

As for believing people, I would definetely research the matter on my own, no matter how close they may be to me in ideological views or in any other way. I don't take everything for granted, that's for sure.

72 posted on 06/23/2002 11:46:28 AM PDT by bluester
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To: bluester
No worries - some of the milder forms of socialism, such as Sweden, seem to do alright, at least if one judges by the voter's acceptance of a system given free and fair elections. In those instances, an exchange of ideas is perfectly suitable for gaining knowledge and a fresh perspective.

On the other hand, proponents of failed systems, who carry their beliefs forward through historical denial and revisionism, hold no interest for me.

They are curiosities to be viewed for amusement purposes only.

And yes, trust is earned, whether talking about friends, pundits, government spokespersons, or even fellow Freepers.

73 posted on 06/23/2002 4:46:52 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: rdb3
Let me put it to you like this: If a socialist or a communist told me that the sky really is blue, I'd still go outside and check, just to be sure.

I would not. Socialists or communists are perfectly capable of speaking truth as well as people from the right are capable of telling the lies.

The best way to discern the truth is to listen to the all sides instead of believing blindly YOUR party line. You might become similar to a Communist if you do not think on your own.

Simone Weil (French woman philosopher) said - "The Truth is a refugee from the camp of winners".

74 posted on 06/23/2002 6:55:34 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
The best way to discern the truth is to listen to the all sides instead of believing blindly YOUR party line.

But I don't have or belong to a "party." Therefore, the charge of "believing blindly" is dismissed with prejudice. I'm a conservative free-agent.

One more thing, I absolutely loathe communists and socialists with a passion that is indescribable. Since I admitted this, it shouldn't be a stretch to see my logic in not listening to a thing they have to say.

75 posted on 06/23/2002 6:59:51 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: SANDNES
d00d I would vote Rumsfeld for pres if he would massacre every man in al queda. I would pay to personally do it.
76 posted on 06/23/2002 7:20:09 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: rdb3
One more thing, I absolutely loathe communists and socialists with a passion that is indescribable. Since I admitted this, it shouldn't be a stretch to see my logic in not listening to a thing they have to say.

Well, but do not expect others to be so passionate.

77 posted on 06/23/2002 7:39:43 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
Well, but do not expect others to be so passionate.

I never raised an expectation on anyone.

However, for a conservative not to be "passionate"[ly] against communism and socialism is suspect in my eyes. The two ideologies mix just like oil and water: they don't.

78 posted on 06/23/2002 7:52:10 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: A. Pole
I would not. Socialists or communists are perfectly capable of speaking truth as well as people from the right are capable of telling the lies.

and...

You might become similar to a Communist if you do not think on your own.

What's wrong with being a communist? According to you, they are an honest bunch.

79 posted on 06/23/2002 8:09:53 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
What's wrong with being a communist?

Mistaken worldview. Atheism.

According to you, they are an honest bunch.

No, only SOME of them are honest. Same with the anti-communists.

80 posted on 06/23/2002 9:01:17 PM PDT by A. Pole
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