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Canada unmoved by new U.S. evidence
Toranto Star ^ | 2/05/03 | JOHN WARD

Posted on 02/05/2003 5:52:28 PM PST by kattracks

No change in position despite 'persuasive' U.S. argument

OTTAWA - Despite a "disturbing and persuasive" argument that Iraq is trying to deceive UN weapons inspectors, Canada will await further word from the inspectors themselves before deciding whether to join the United States in any military response.

Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham said today that U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell made a convincing presentation to the UN Security Council suggesting that "Iraq seems to be trying to fool" UN teams searching Iraq for caches of forbidden weapons.

But, Graham added, Canada will await the decision of the council later this month before deciding on a course of action.

We are not at a point where there is a need to use force," he told a news conference. "However, we don't have much time left."

Graham was reacting to Powell's long-awaited speech at the UN, in which he detailed U.S. allegations that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has defied UN demands to rid his country of chemical and biological weapons.

The minister said the matter rests with Hans Blix, the chief arms inspector, who is to return to Iraq this weekend and will report back to the council Feb. 14.

"We need to give that inspection system a last chance, maybe one, maybe two, over a couple of weeks," Graham said. "If Dr. Blix comes back with a report saying that under no circumstances has Saddam Hussein any intention of co-operation with the inspectors at that point ... the other consequences have to flow."

Saddam has to show he's willing to disarm and to co-operate. If he doesn't, "the world has to take action to enforce its resolution," Graham said.

Powell outlined a circumstantial case, including satellite photos, intercepted communications and the word of unidentified informants, which suggested that Iraq maintains stocks of chemical and biological weapons and is hiding them from inspection.

Graham said he was impressed by Powell's willingness to use top secret material, even against the advice of security authorities.

"One thing that was somewhat surprising to me was the fairly extensive use of highly classified security materials, which usually the United States and other governments are very reluctant to provide," Graham said.

While he said Powell didn't provide a smoking gun, he did show a suspicious pattern of conduct by Iraq.

Canadian Alliance Leader Stephen Harper urged the government to side firmly with the United States, which says it will act unilaterally against Iraq if it deems such a move necessary, even without approval from the world body.

"What is the benefit now of giving Saddam Hussein the benefit of the doubt?" Harper asked the House of Commons.

Outside the House, Harper said Canada should take a stern stand.

"I think we should declare with our allies that Iraq is in material breach (of UN demands) and in order to increase the pressure on Saddam Hussein, that we should be redeploying in the Gulf region."

Alexa McDonough of the NDP told the House that Powell's "so-called evidence" proved nothing. Her party's position is that nothing justifies war against Iraq.

The Canadian Arab Federation said Canada should be trying to restrain the apparent U.S. zeal for war.

"Colin Powell is asking us all to take quite a big leap of faith ... to believe these assertions are proof that Iraq is producing weapons of mass destruction," said Audrey Jamal, the group's executive director.

She said she wants to see a diplomatic solution.

There were others who were suspicious about Powell's claims.

Shahina Siddiqui, a board member with the Canadian branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said Powell was repeating old claims.

"I don't find it a convincing argument for war," he said.

He brushed off the tapes of alleged intercepted communications between Iraqi officers.

"Those tape recordings, I'm sorry, but these days anything can be manufactured."

Imad Khadduri, a former Iraqi nuclear scientist who immigrated to Canada in 1999 and works as a college computer instructor in Toronto was equally skeptical.

"The so-called evidence provided is threadbare," he said. Allegations about nuclear weapons "are flimsy, they are not true and I can disprove all of them with facts, because I lived them."

He said he worked on Iraq's nuclear weapons program from 1968 until after the Gulf War, when the project was destroyed.

Powell is spreading "disinformation," he said.

Khadduri conceded, however, that he had no personal knowledge of chemical or biological weapons stock.

Brian MacDonald of the Atlantic Council, a think tank that tracks UN issues, said the problem is that people are asking the United States to prove its case against Iraq, when the onus should be on Saddam to prove he doesn't have banned weapons.

So far, Canada has said it will await the decision of the Security Council, but Prime Minister Jean Chrétien has not closed the door on joining the United States without further UN approval.



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To: kattracks
Next step(February 14): Iraq allows U-2 flyovers of 1 out of 700 named sites.

French reaction: Well at least we are making progress.
41 posted on 02/05/2003 7:05:37 PM PST by fiftymegaton
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To: kattracks
"Iraq seems to be trying to fool" UN teams

Oh, brother. You think so? Talk about pathetic.

42 posted on 02/05/2003 7:06:01 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: kattracks
Screw the gerdungs, the frunks and the canucks. International socialists and communists aren't necessary on this mission to take out this socialist tyrant in Iraq and they and our American communists (democrats) have already probably cost us American lives. Screw them and the horse they rode in on. If the communists in this country try civil disobedience against our military, then they will be astonished to see the response by patriots in this country. It won't be pretty and the stealth nature will utterly shock them.
43 posted on 02/05/2003 7:10:36 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: kattracks
Canada....The France of the Western Hemisphere.
44 posted on 02/05/2003 7:13:47 PM PST by HP8753
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To: ruready4eternity
I hope this does not happen. I like Canada the way it is; the Americas with a slight European flavor--not more US States.
45 posted on 02/05/2003 7:19:42 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: ruready4eternity
Canada is only aboot a decade ahead in population erosion of the united States of America. Had algore won the last go around, I myself would be talking about another America...but the pendulum amongst the population shows me signs of a conscience and brain. I fear that the majority in Canada have lost theirs and the damage to the nation is irrepairable, which is damaging to America. America has a small glimmer of hope left, but it's looking more and more like patriots will have to battle communists on American soil before long.
46 posted on 02/05/2003 7:20:22 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: kattracks
Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham said today that U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell made a convincing presentation to the UN Security Council suggesting that "Iraq seems to be trying to fool" UN teams searching Iraq for caches of forbidden weapons.

Iraq SEEMS to be trying to fool the UN???????

Is this man mentally impaired or what?
Did he hear the intercepted phone calls or see the photos?

It's scarey to think that people like this are in positions of authority in the western world.

47 posted on 02/05/2003 7:27:11 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Is this man mentally impaired or what?

Absolutely.

Did he hear the intercepted phone calls or see the photos?

He also suffers from cognitive dissonance.

48 posted on 02/05/2003 7:29:54 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Senator Kennedy ain't Irish either, he's a Frenchy.)
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To: Jorge
Unbelieveable.
An earlier, Pearl Harbor version would read: "Looks like out incentives are not alligned with the Japanese, eh ?"
49 posted on 02/05/2003 7:32:20 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: ruready4eternity
I think most people here realize that many Canadians like you stand with us in recognizing the danger that Saddam poses to the world.

We are closer to being like you than most here seem to remember. Perhaps 537 votes, to be precise.

We would be embracing Kyoto. We would be surrendering to international committees.

We would be as gutless as the current government of Canada.

537 votes out of a country of 300 million people.

50 posted on 02/05/2003 7:35:56 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: ruready4eternity
God Bless you. I will remember to pray for you and have watched some news reports about the great 'new' Christian churches you have there. While I strongly disagree and am quite disgusted with the Canadian government's attitude, I do understand there are wonderful Canadian patriots for truth and justice. Stay the course...and may we all remember to join you often in prayer.
51 posted on 02/05/2003 7:40:18 PM PST by Faithfull
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To: Numbers Guy
"He left Iraq yet apparently still supports the government there. Sounds a bit suspicious."

Perhaps, zie chentleman haz relatiffs ihn die oldt countrie...

Or, maybe, he's not a "chentleman"...

52 posted on 02/05/2003 7:41:23 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: kattracks
My late father may not be spinning in his grave, but it is a sure bet his Canadian service mates from the 1st Special Service Force are!
53 posted on 02/05/2003 7:42:54 PM PST by sonofatpatcher2 (God Speed Columbia Seven)
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To: Dog Gone
Thanks. You just nailed it. We're still the shining beacon on a hill; the arsenal of democracy.
54 posted on 02/05/2003 7:46:30 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Joe Bonforte
Just what does this guy think a "last chance" is anyway? It's oxymoronic (and just plain moronic) to talk about giving more than one "last chance".

Especially when they've already had sixteen...

55 posted on 02/05/2003 7:46:34 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: Dog Gone
"537 votes out of a country of 300 million people."

Indeed! We came that close to Osama visiting the White House for "extended conversations about root causes".

56 posted on 02/05/2003 7:52:02 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Graham is just echoing his master's position. The great Crouton has been in talks with the 10 provincial Premieres and 3 representatives of the territories for the last two days over health care funding and there is no way Graham would express anything but what he had previously been told to say. And he won't until he gets the word from Chretien.
57 posted on 02/05/2003 7:54:32 PM PST by Snowyman
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To: HP8753
Canada....The France of the Western Hemisphere.

Close the borders NOW!

(Oh, I know, not ALL Canadians are bad...)

J.Q.

58 posted on 02/05/2003 7:54:56 PM PST by jqpublic (Axis of Weasels - France, Germany and Canada. (With apologies to Weasels everywhere!))
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To: Grig
Our government is freakin out of it's mind and EVERYONE up here knows it. Attack our governemnt all you want, but don't go around thinking they represent us.

Why not? They were voted into office weren't they? They must represent somebody.

59 posted on 02/05/2003 8:09:11 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: ruready4eternity
Amen! brother. I know there are good people everywhere!
60 posted on 02/05/2003 8:15:19 PM PST by 2nd Amendment
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