Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
Tell you what, past couple weeks haven't made me want to give anything to FR, either.
I will, because i promised, but my heart isn't in it.
Anyone who doesn't realize that the judges in the last three weeks have given the Schindlers more leeway, more consideration, more attention, etc. than any other litigant in their courtroom in years just doesn't have any understanding of how the system works.
We always do this to ourselves. First we don't defend ourselves against Democrat charges and we have the worst PR on the planet.
I belive in our message and platform but get pretty discouraged at how we get that message out (ineffectively).
This has moved me to a more moderate position because I'm not terribly pleased the radical right over-reached on this matter and Congress responded so willingly without investigating the facts first.
When I heard Frist mention a few things about this matter that were 100% erroneous, I knew it was going to be ugly for the party, I just didn't realize how ugly.
Oh well, time to get back to housecleaning. Talk to you later.
Tom Delay just basically said that Terri Schiavo shouldn't have had the tube removed even if she had left a written directive.
The courts honored the Florida legislature's exercise of its functions.
As long as the forum is willing to embrace such an obvious lie, it's going to be difficult around here.
Did he concede it could be removed if it could be proven for sure that if someone said (in writing) that they did not want to exist in a PVS state and that state was established it could be removed?
I read your post before I left to clean, and although I am the last person to fully understand how the legal system works, especially with regard to appeals courts, the articles I've read by reporters who DO seem to understand the system have stated pretty much what you have just said.
When I read how many documents have been presented and how many doctors and specialists have testified, I realized this is more representation than any 100 of us will ever have in our lifetimes put together.
And unless there is a vast conspiracy among doctors and therapists that I am unaware of, and they are fortunate enough to find the right judges repeatedly, then there is no "there" there for DeLay to go after.
But I can see the GOP has not dropped this, although I was assured they had and had hoped they had.
That conservatives want more federal intervention has perplexed me from the beginning. And time has not solved the mystery.
bbl
Government knows best, I guess.
And this is supposed to be social 'conservatism'.
Possibly. Probably. But sounded doubtful that PVS could ever be proven.
Buy stock in bingo.
I agree...it sounded like he wouldn't believe any diagnosis of that sort.
Dang on Berger's seeming wrist slap. Misdemeanor?
Sheesh
It is the Satanist Death Cult Conspiracy. We're all in it, dontcha know.
That conservatives want more federal intervention has perplexed me from the beginning.
These people aren't conservatives, as you and I understand the term. Limited government means nothing to them. They are only 'conservative' in the sense that they advocate a traditional morality. Unfortunately, they want to use the power of Big Government to implement it.
I've read here many times in the last week that the whole concept of "living wills" should be squashed, and the tubes and machines should just keep whirring away.
In other news:
Sandy Berger will plead guilty to willingly mishandling classified documents. 2 counts.
The Washington Redskins? :)
"Members of Satan's realm are keenly aware of the reason a person with the last name of Schindler is being targeted to set a precedent which could pave the way for mass killings in the near future. People involved in what insiders call the network know exactly why George Felos made the ability to request a ham sandwich the litmus test for personhood."
"Schindler is a despised name in Nazi circles because the name reminds them of Oscar Schindler. Near the end of World War II. this Schindler managed to prevent 1,200 people from being exterminated by the Nazi regime. Whether or not Terri's family is related to the Schindler who prevented the deaths of twelve hundred people is unimportant. The name is symbolic and Satan uses symbols to mark his doings in the world."
"The people Oscar Schindler saved were Jews. That is why George Felos mentioned a sandwich that no Jewish person could ask for in good conscience: a ham sandwich. The symbolism is obvious. The New World Order planners are exacting revenge for a "wrong" Schindler committed in Satan's first attempt at global government."
Whoever posted that is in need of Vitamin H (Haldol). Sheesh.
Sorry - I just had a vision of the able-bodied pedaling madly in place to generate enough electricity to keep all those machines hummig along...like a scene in a Charlie Chaplin movie.
If you need a break, check in over here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wppff/
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