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DeLay Apologizes for Schiavo Case Rhetoric
AP via Yahoo ^ | April 13, 2005 | Terence Hunt

Posted on 04/13/2005 8:21:32 PM PDT by cyncooper

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oops...scare = scarce. Mea culpa.


461 posted on 04/14/2005 11:25:33 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: EllaMinnow
Since the Republican senatorial candidate who I worked for last year WON, and introduced the Senate version of the bill to save Terri Schiavo...

You mean that meaningless and ineffective CYA bill that threw the case back to the courts, where the problem is and was in the first place?

I wouldn't be braggin' too much about that if I were you.

462 posted on 04/14/2005 11:26:32 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("It's better to trust in the Lord, than to put confidence in man." -Psalm 118:8)
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To: spectre

Yes, it is disgusting.


463 posted on 04/14/2005 11:27:50 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("It's better to trust in the Lord, than to put confidence in man." -Psalm 118:8)
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To: EternalVigilance
Glad to hear that not all the Terri supporters have lost their moral compass. Thank you.

sw

464 posted on 04/14/2005 11:35:37 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: EternalVigilance

I respect what Delay has done for the GOP and believe he can be of further use AND don't believe he has done anything for which he should lose support. Unlike some here now attacking the Bushes for not doing "enough" I don't turn on people for making a mistake. Thus, though I believe his comments were a mistake that is not enough to throw him under the bus.

But the main reason I support Delay is because the Liberals despise him even more than they do Bush.

There was nothing that could have been done that was not done for TS. Certainly nothing the "liberal" republicans didn't do could have "saved" her. Essentially everyone stood aside and let the GOP make a fool of itself. As thanks the Ultras are attacking it for trying to do what they wanted.


465 posted on 04/14/2005 11:38:13 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Terriergal

Because the federal constitution does not cover local judges as being impeachable by the Senate. Delay was not talking about impeaching local judges.


466 posted on 04/14/2005 11:40:45 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: EternalVigilance
The judge relied on past Florida precedent by the Florida Supreme Court under another case. Article I, Section 2 of the FL Constitution nor the Fifth Amendment came under scrutiny in the past case either. It simply did not apply in this case. Do you honestly believe that court after court somehow missed this? Do you have some sort of understanding of the Constitution that no one else has?

This particular GOP CYA talking point is a dog that just ain't gonna hunt...at least with those who reference fundamental human rights as their political and legal compass.

Well I'm not GOP so I don't care what 'talking points' they choose to use or not. The only things that guide me are a strong belief in Christ, fundamental human rights, and the limitations as outlined in the Constitution of these United States. Congress had no right nor position to involve themselves in a simple guardianship case. Justice Scalia in the Cruzan decision was clear and Madison was even clearer in Federalist #45

467 posted on 04/14/2005 11:41:45 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

'What we wanted', all we wanted, was for the Chief Executive to do his sworn duty to protect his own citizens and uphold the Constitution.

A drink of water for a helpless woman is not alot to ask.

All we heard were excuses.


468 posted on 04/14/2005 11:43:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("It's better to trust in the Lord, than to put confidence in man." -Psalm 118:8)
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To: billbears
It simply did not apply in this case.

The Constitution applies in every case.

You are vividly demonstrating the problem. Our courts and our elected officials are IGNORING the Constitution.

You, and they, are straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel.

470 posted on 04/14/2005 11:45:40 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("It's better to trust in the Lord, than to put confidence in man." -Psalm 118:8)
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To: spectre

ROFL LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those who stand on the side of NOT murdering someone have lost their moral compass?

Here's hoping I'm really and truly misunderstanding what you're trying to say.


471 posted on 04/14/2005 11:47:54 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: EternalVigilance
Does it matter to any of you all what ramifications that act of civil disobedience by the President of the United States would have created? Would the scene of our President being led away in hand cuffs satisfied the Shiavo supporters? No thanks.

It wouldn't have saved Terri anyway.

sw

472 posted on 04/14/2005 11:50:36 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: jstolzen

Since you don't know what de novo means or understand that the Congress has no power to order the courts to do anything you don't understand what happened.

All it could do was expand the courts' jurisidiction so that they could consider a case typically outside that jurisdiction. Thus, it had the constitutional power to vote to allow the district court jurisdiction even though it was a mistake to do it. However it could not tell them How to do it or demand anything of it.

I am not sure about exactly what that "subpoena" meant but whatever it meant it had no bearing on the obvious lack of Congressional authority to impeach a local judge. Congress could vote for contempt of Congress for ignoring a legitimate subpoena. Perhaps a review of the Constitution would clarify your misunderstandings about Congress' powers here.


473 posted on 04/14/2005 11:50:45 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: freepertoo
Here's hoping you can understand that it was the links and calling for contributions to Jesse Jackson's rainbow Push orgnization that I was speaking about.

IF you think it's fine to donate to this group, then you have indeed lost your moral compass.

sw

474 posted on 04/14/2005 11:52:38 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: EternalVigilance
'What we wanted', all we wanted, was for the Chief Executive

to stay the hell out of our personal family tragadies and away from our sick beds? Painful decisions that families have to make in some end of life medical cases are not the buisness of Government. Nor are they any of yours.

475 posted on 04/14/2005 11:56:50 AM PDT by KDD (just the facts please)
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To: EternalVigilance

Maybe you could kindly point out where the millions for such cases can be obtained? Oh, and don't say the "taxpayers" they are tapped out.


476 posted on 04/14/2005 11:57:02 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Our courts and our elected officials are IGNORING the Constitution.

I'll give you one thing. The 436 political hacks in Washington are ignoring the Constitution. Have been doing it for over 100 years. So we agree on that. However, not all courts are ignoring the Constitution. I realize the Whigs don't care too much for the 10th Amendment, but for conservatives it's still there. And apparently, to Justice Scalia it's still there as well...

I would have preferred that we announce, clearly and promptly, that the federal courts have no business in this field; that American law has always accorded the State the power to prevent, by force if necessary, suicide - including suicide by refusing to take appropriate measures necessary to preserve one's life; that the point at which life becomes "worthless," and the point at which the means necessary to preserve it become "extraordinary" or "inappropriate," are neither set forth in the Constitution nor known to the nine Justices of this Court any better than they are known to nine people picked at random from the Kansas City telephone directory; and hence, that even when it is demonstrated by clear and convincing evidence that a patient no longer wishes certain measures to be taken to preserve her life, it is up to the citizens of Missouri to decide, through their elected representatives, whether that wish will be honored. It is quite impossible (because the Constitution says nothing about the matter) that those citizens will decide upon a line less lawful than the one we would choose; and it is unlikely (because we know no more about "life-and-death" than they do) that they will decide upon a line less reasonable. (emphasis added) Cruzan v. Director, MDH, 497, U.S. 261 (1990)

Just embrace that in trying to change the intent of the Constitution and destroy the limitations that disagree with your warped belief system, you have become what you claim to hate. A liberal.

477 posted on 04/14/2005 11:58:01 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: EternalVigilance

No "all you wanted" was for the Chief Exective act like a Third World generalissimo and overthrow the rule of Law. Cases like this are allowed to terminate every day without controversy. Are you really unaware of this?


478 posted on 04/14/2005 11:59:21 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: KDD
That's a big "high five", KDD!

I'm not letting my family go into the poor house keeping me alive in a PVS. Nor do I want them taking me home, changing me, bathing me, lifting me, feeding me, combing my hair, and giving me balloons to follow around to see if I'm "in there"...I want them to get on with their lives and LIVE.

My living will had better be honored!

sw

479 posted on 04/14/2005 12:02:37 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: billbears

They have thrown over almost every principle conservatives have touted: limited federal government; opposition to judicial activism; federalism; socialized medicine. And appear to be blissfully unaware of it.


480 posted on 04/14/2005 12:03:32 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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