Posted on 04/21/2005 9:20:39 PM PDT by Coleus
Thank you, IMO, for showing your true motivation.
BTW, jack, couldn't America be considered the original "third world" nation. Afterall America took in all the dregs and rejects from Europe(dirty Irish, wop Italians etc.etc.) and prospered beyond their wildest dreams.
Let me start by asking you how you prosper from the air you breath? I think the answer to my question is as obvious as the answer to yours.
His implication is that trade is good, provided we address the labor and enviromental issues. Since CAFTA, in his mind, doesn't address those things, he's against it. He's no different than the trade union/Buchanan/Perot thugs that fought NAFTA.
the term that should be applied to these deadbeats is criminal!
Dane, I can do without the implication that my views are racist. I am half Cuban.
As I said before, the defining characteristic of a first world country is labor scarcity. During most of our history we have had a vast unsettled and undeveloped continent to occupy so labor has almost always been scarce and by that definition the answer to your question is: no.
There have been periods in our history where we have had labor greatly in excess of our capacity to create jobs. Once such period was the era in the late 1800s which is referred to as "The Gilded Age" which was characterized by sweatshops, labor exploitation and what came very close to a two-tiered society with the ultra rich industrialists living like royalty. We came close to a third world system then and the result was a backlash and the rise of populist politics, trust busting, inheritance taxes and other similar things and it culminated in the mid-1920s with almost a complete termination of immigration.
Immigration has ebbed and flowed in our history and right now it is at a historical highpoint. I think the backlash is in progress.
[[Alvaro, if you like them so much you have them, bring them into your home. Build a free hospital and put out the word to come live with you. Don't spend other peoples money, spend your own.]]
Force,
I have been thinking about putting together a website called the "illegal alien fund" and see how many liberals will put their money where their mouth is. I'll bet if these very same liberals received a monthly bill of say $300.00/month from the federal goverment titled the "undocumented migrant resettlemnt fund", that they would not be so damn compassionate since when they saw how much it was costing them and they had to write that check every month.
Liberals love to give away everything that they don't own.
From your reply to raybbr's post I was under the impression that you implied that the "Indians" prospered from free trade. Is this not correct ?
ClintoBeGone - History is full of such examples. Let's start with free trade with the Indians.
You are correct about that, CBG. People like jack are always talking about the welfare fraud committed by illegal immigrants, but are silent about native born Americans committing the same fraud.
Ronald Reagan, IMO, is rolling in his grave by those who are taking his name in the cause of hispanic animus. Ronald Reagan was against the welfare queen/king, no matter her/his color or creed.
Correct.
Once a poor person is a citizen we are stuck with them. I want them to stop being a burden on me and other taxpayers so I think it is in my enlightened self-interest to help them stop being poor. I want them to earn a good wage and that is not going to happen as long as we keep flooding the labor market with an infinite supply of additional poor people willing to work for low poverty wages. And all those poor immigrants bus boys end up sponging off the public largess in one way or another, whether it is free health care, food stamps for their anchor babies or the earned income tax credit.
Poverty is already a big problem in America. I see no reason to import more of it. It makes no sense to me.
Nah jack, IMO and with your rhetoric, you want to deport the hard working people, especially the people with Spanish surnames, again JMO.
That's the second time you've had to use the resort to the race card in this discussion. You've lost the intellectual argument and I'm done discussing it with you.
Please do me the favor of not replying to any of my posts in the future because I have no further interest in conversing with you.
DP
Huh when did the people with Spanish surnames become a "race". Oh yeah that's correct under LBJ they did.
Your post at #17 speaks for plenty of us.
Thanks for the laugh. If you want to expound on this statement by my guest.
Recently an insightful Freeper upon reading one of your many outrageously bizarre posts speculated that you are really here to purposely undermine your own professed cause for open borders. I think he might be right. If so....Thank You. In any event keep on posting please. It’s good for laughter is nothing else.
And lose the "Open Border Buddies" ad hominems, please. There are no open border advocates here.
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