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Bush says Cold War captivity one of great wrongs
NY Times ^ | May 7, 2005 | REUTERS

Posted on 05/07/2005 3:20:28 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

No doubt the President's comments today will rouse the treasonous Bed Wetters at CBS, NPR, NYT, etc, but today is as good a day as any for conservatives to publicly hold the Rat Bastard Left to account for its historically immoral acquiescence at Yalta.

President Bush's remarks should serve as the starting point for instilling truth into our childrens' history books about this despicable act of moral and political cowardice, a betrayal engineered by a socialist President and, as Joe McCarthy so presciently pointed out, by a Communist-infested party that seldom misses an opportunity to sell out our national interests to foreign enemies (think Clinton and China.)

I can only hope that this is the beginning of a drive to hold accountable the Rats who enjoyed the benefits of a five-decade partnership with the Communist tyrants who murdered millions of innocents and enslaved hundreds of millions.

Go W, go!!


21 posted on 05/07/2005 5:03:45 PM PDT by MaryInSacto
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To: MaryInSacto
I can only hope that this is the beginning of a drive to hold accountable the Rats who enjoyed the benefits of a five-decade partnership with the Communist tyrants who murdered millions of innocents and enslaved hundreds of millions.

I hope this is the case too.

22 posted on 05/07/2005 5:09:57 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: neverdem
Putin insists the Red Army was a liberator, not an oppressor, of Eastern Europe.

Hey Putin, tell that to the millions that were enslaved and murdered by the your country.

Putin is nothing but a sicko. God Bless Bush for standing up to him and calling the occupation of Eastern Europe wrong.

23 posted on 05/07/2005 5:13:44 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: kms61

"Okay, but I have yet to hear anyone put forth a practical alternative given the facts as they existed at the time, and "turn Patton loose" doesn't count. The Russians already had their armies in Eastern Europe and wee were not going to try to kick them out in the aftermath of Germany's defeat. Any president who tried something like that would have been impeached immediately."

Here's an alternative...

FDR didnt *have* to have soviet spy Alger Hiss as one of his top State Dept advisors. FDR might have paid attention to the reports back to *1941* that suspect Hiss of spying ... that just *might* have helped.

Hiss helped engineer the Yalta give-away and set up the UN. Both gave USSR superpower status that they didnt deserve, and when spies like the Rosenbergs helped give Stalin the bomb, it was clear we were in a 2 superpower Cold War.

We could have demanded honest democratic elections in every eastern european state.

Standing up for eastern european freedom and sovereignty was not only possible, it was the least we owed to the soldiers who died in WWII for the cause of freedom.
WWII started because Poland's soveriegnty was violated. That violation didnt end until 1989.


24 posted on 05/07/2005 5:14:09 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: Paul_Denton

I guess Putin considers replacing one form of tyranny with another "liberation".


25 posted on 05/07/2005 5:20:59 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: ms_68
Even Hitler's Germany didn't murder POWs.

Really? I guess you haven't heard of the American POW's massacred near Malmedy during the battle of the Bulge where 72 American Soldiers were lined up in a field and machine gunned by a German SS unit and then buried in some deep snow. That's at least one example.

26 posted on 05/07/2005 5:27:59 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the story, neverdem. This president just keeps getting better and better.


27 posted on 05/07/2005 5:33:24 PM PDT by solzhenitsyn ("Live Not By Lies")
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To: neverdem

I heard this reported on NPR and was absolutely delighted. To my knowledge, this is the first time a U.S. President has EVER acknowledged that the decisions taken at Yalta were immoral and wrong.

This is a huge piece of honesty from President Bush. I imagine it was partly based on his personal convictions, partly related to the Bush doctrine of spreading freedom rather than playing ball with useful tyrants, and partly in reaction to the many provocative things Putin has said and done over the past few months.

The reporters on NPR sounded as if they could hardly get thewords out of their mouths, they tasted so bad, but they didn't dare criticize Bush for saying what he said. It is indeed obvious, although I believe Bush is the first President to say it, and say it clearly.


29 posted on 05/07/2005 5:45:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem
President Bush denounced Soviet Cold War rule of eastern Europe as ``one of the greatest wrongs of history'' on Saturday in a jab at Moscow two days before celebrations of the 1945 victory over Hitler.

President Bush continues to impress. Not since President Reagan have we had the opportunity to hear a forthright denunciation of Communism from our leadership.

30 posted on 05/07/2005 5:46:08 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Cagey

There are always at least some atrocities in any war. But there's a big difference between atrocities committed in the heat of battle, or by soldiers acting on their own initiative, and atrocities on a large scale deliberately planned and ordered from the top. Large scale murders in violation of the Geneva Conventions were Soviet policy, coming down from Stalin himself.

A BIG difference.


31 posted on 05/07/2005 5:48:09 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Petronski

Where is the, well no s*** ping?

Did he compare the Nazis to the Commies in the USSR? He should have. The only difference was one was in Germany and other in Russia. Russia was on the winning side though.


32 posted on 05/07/2005 5:50:20 PM PDT by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: Luke
And just to prove it they built a wall around Eastern Europe and shot anyone trying to climb that wall.

Liberation shown in it's finest form...

33 posted on 05/07/2005 5:55:57 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Cicero
I wasn't talking policy when I referenced the killing of the American POW's during the Battle of the Bulge, I was pointing out that indeed, Hitler's Germany did kill POW's. However, over 850 Russian POW's were gassed in Auschwitz and that certainly was Nazi Policy.

Hitler had plenty of official Policies that ranked right up there (or actually, down there) with Stalin's. They were both tryants worthy of our equal disgust.
34 posted on 05/07/2005 5:57:48 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: Cicero; Cagey; ms_68; solzhenitsyn; Spirited; Eric in the Ozarks; Luke; neverdem; Petronski; jb6; ..
ms_68 wrote: Even Hitler's Germany didn't murder POWs. When confronted with this lie ms_68 replied: Naturally, they murdered them and I know it. They also murdered many Soviet POWS, however they didn't murder officers taken to camps according to Geneva Convention.

Just one example: American and British POW pilots - officers included - were ordered murdered by Hitler - some killed as they landed others murdered by the SS after the "Great Escape". As bad and murderous as the Soviets were - better them holding Eastern Europe than the genocidal Nazis.

Most of those Eastern European countries that fell behind the Iron Curtain (but not all) were members of the Axis powers (Bulgaria, "Slovakia", Romania, Hungry, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Finland). Americans did not care to fight for their fates outside of regretting what happened to Poland and the Czech part of Czechoslovakia. American attitudes to these eastern nations was to hell with those ex-Nazi scums. The Republicans were even against the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe (east and west) if I recall.

Side note: The Poles elected the reformed Communist party over Solidarity. Poland is currently ruled by the reformed Communist party - democratically elected.

Neo-con Trostkyite (with an ax to grind against the nation that betrayed Trotsky) influenced revisionist history can only go so far.

35 posted on 05/07/2005 6:16:43 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: traviskicks
I like how Bush trashed Roosevelt for giving away a billion people in Eastern Europe to Communist rule to 'uncle joe'.

Yep. Bush just rolled Roosevelt down the stairs.

...lot of great quotes in this article. ...an historic trip.

36 posted on 05/07/2005 6:16:49 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: libertarianben

The Nazis were worse - as bad as the Soviets were - and they were evil - they did not make lamp shades out of people or develop methods to make soap out of human fat or felt fabric out of Jewish hair.


37 posted on 05/07/2005 6:18:11 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: neverdem
President Bush denounced Soviet Cold War rule of eastern Europe as ``one of the greatest wrongs of history'' on Saturday in a jab at Moscow two days before celebrations of the 1945 victory over Hitler.

Heh....giving 'em ulcers over at the State Department again, where moral clarity must be checked at the front door.

38 posted on 05/07/2005 6:23:05 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: Cicero; Cagey; ms_68; solzhenitsyn; Spirited; Eric in the Ozarks; Luke; neverdem; Petronski; jb6; ..
A "souvenir" made by the SS: the shrunken head of a Russian POW

Found in the pathology block of Buchenwald: tattooed and tanned skin, two shrunken heads of russian POWs, a lampshade made of human skin.

39 posted on 05/07/2005 6:25:41 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
The State Dept. is behind this - they have a long term plan to break up Russia (even supporting the Chechens) and to strengthen China.
40 posted on 05/07/2005 6:27:07 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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