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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: Peach

I hope they have some new information.


1,501 posted on 07/07/2005 4:47:09 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: TexKat

How did she "know" there was a kidnapping??


1,502 posted on 07/07/2005 6:06:09 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Dark Skies
At the Alpha male extreme, there is no sharing. I suggest that Jurine is not an alpha male but a sociopath. In which case, he still is not a sharer. Of course, I could be wrong, but I suspect he did the dirty deed and sharing was not one of his characteristics. Narcissists don't share...not in their nature. Sharing ruins the "me" thing.

Could very well be. In which case, IF the brothers were still around, they may have gone home and left Sloot's sorry butt where he was.

1,503 posted on 07/07/2005 6:09:24 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: texasbluebell

"I am about sick of hearing how Natalie "willingly" left off with these despicable creatures.
I could just scream when I see things like that."

The true response to the statement of her "going willingly" is that she thought she was getting into a taxi with J to go back to her hotel. J and the K brothers DID NOT take her back to her hotel!


1,504 posted on 07/07/2005 6:29:34 AM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: JustAnotherHolloway
Beth sounded quite firm saying "kidnapped" instead of something else. Sounds like she wants us all to know something.

I agree and wonder if she'll share specific details in the rest of her interview with Greta tonight.

1,505 posted on 07/07/2005 6:36:58 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Palladin; TexKat
Did she also mean to tell us something with regard to the dollar bills? I know there were still some left in Natalee's wallet back at the hotel, but perhaps she had a roll of them in her pocket at C&C's? Might they show up on a beach somewhere? If someone found them, would they just pocket them, or notify police?

I'm playing catch-up on the thread this morning and maybe someone has already thought of this, but if Jug gave Natalee a new pack of 100 one dollar bills, might the bank have a record of the serial numbers? Just wondering if the FBI has those numbers and maybe some were in Joran's possession or found at the VDS house?

1,506 posted on 07/07/2005 6:42:14 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: seekthetruth

Taxis have lit lights on top of the car and special plates.


1,507 posted on 07/07/2005 6:50:27 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Rippersnapper

"Taxis have lit lights on top of the car and special plates"

I read previously that they have special plates, but nothing about "lit lights on top". Even Natalee's friends said "Natalee got into a taxi with J".


1,508 posted on 07/07/2005 6:54:06 AM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: JustAnotherHolloway
Beth sounded quite firm saying "kidnapped" instead of something else. Sounds like she wants us all to know something.

I think she used the word 'kidnapping' because had she said 'missing', there may not have been the same amount of effort put into looking for Natalee.

Being 18 and an adult, even the police in the US don't consider someone as 'missing' until 24 hours.

The problem though is that there is nothing that we know of to indicate a kidnapping.

1,509 posted on 07/07/2005 6:58:19 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: seekthetruth
I posted this earlier, but will repost.


There was a picture posted way back in one of the earlier threads that showed a taxi with the lit taxi sign up on top of the car.  I would think that it woud be easier to spot than trying to catch the first two letters of a plate that may be moving.

1,510 posted on 07/07/2005 7:14:24 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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Aruban prosecutors appeal brothers' release in missing teen case

Kalpoe lawyer blasts Holloway's mom - CNN

For many Arubans, bad press an unwelcome visitor

More Help Could Be on the Way In Aruban Search


1,511 posted on 07/07/2005 7:17:55 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Rippersnapper

Obviously, there are some taxis in Aruba that have the light on the roof and others that don't. Natalee's friends were accustomed to seeing taxis that didn't have the light on the roof and thought Natalee was getting into a taxi when she got into the Kalpoe car with Joran.


1,512 posted on 07/07/2005 7:18:55 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: hummingbird
If there were any people, in any country, under these circumstances that would not come forward with a tip, I would say that is pretty chickensh*t. I don't think the Aruban people are like that.

And I would agree with you on that.

But to give an example of the kind of "tip" I was referring to, there was an especially relevant exchange last night between Greta and Mr. Twitty.

Greta told Mr. Twitty that Deepak had said he was "no longer friends with Joran," apparently because he resented being implicated by Joran.

(I think Greta's implication was that Deepak might be "turned" in this case and could possibly become a useful source of information.)

Greta then asked Mr. Twitty if he would be "willing" to talk to the Kalpoe boys, who now that they'd been released might be able to give the Twittys information that might answer the question of what happened to Natalee.

Mr. Twitty hesitated -I thought significantly- before answering, "sure we would."

I think he might have been thinking, in that moment of hesitation, that it was hardly likely now that the Kalpoes would want to say anything helpful to the Twittys --now that Mrs. Twitty has branded them "criminals" who'd participated in a "violent crime" against her daughter, and who demanded that no country let them walk in peace amongst them!

So what an irony. The Twittys have likely earned the enduring enmity of the Kalpoes (including the boys' mom), the very people who might be able to give the Twittys the information they so desperately want.

Anyone think the Kalpoes will ever want to help them now ??? Not bloody likely. Yeah, they should do The Right Thing. But that wouldn't be human nature, would it.

So that's exactly what I was getting at. No less than anyone else here, I'm praying that the Twittys get their daughter back. But I think in the last couple of days they've been making grievous tactical mistakes that could end up costing them the very answers they seek.

1,513 posted on 07/07/2005 7:21:34 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: demkicker

Obviously someone left their group and wasn't paying attention to their environment and got into a vehicle with someone they only knew for two days tops. Personal accountablility doesn't only belong to bad people, or the OTHER person. jmo


1,514 posted on 07/07/2005 7:25:20 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: TexKat

Got bless Richard Shelby. I hope the Navy can spare some help, but I can already hear the howling resentment from the ankle biters, can't you?


1,515 posted on 07/07/2005 7:26:00 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: gingersnaps
grievous tactical mistakes

that they have remained at all rational in the face of this tragedy is a credit to them. i simply find it hard to believe that anyone is attempting to hold them to any standard of behavior considering the stress, grief and fatigue that they are operating under. even if what you are saying is true, what would YOU do differently? WHO is going to speak for them, run this rescue attempt for them? who do you want to put a public face on this for them? if the arubans cannot understand the mental state that this family is operating under and won't cut them slack for intemperate remarks, then, frankly, i find them inhumane.

1,516 posted on 07/07/2005 7:26:48 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Rippersnapper
Oh no, not you again and the personal accountability rant. Please spare us....


1,517 posted on 07/07/2005 7:28:53 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Rippersnapper
nothing that we know of

those being the operative words. it has been made clear that they know things that they are not at liberty to divulge at this time for fear of entirely compromising the investigation.

1,518 posted on 07/07/2005 7:29:17 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: gingersnaps
Your posts have been right on the money.

Greta told Mr. Twitty that Deepak had said he was "no longer friends with Joran," apparently because he resented being implicated by Joran.

(I think Greta's implication was that Deepak might be "turned" in this case and could possibly become a useful source of information.)

If Deepak is no longer friends with Sloot because Sloot was trying to implicate him, then it is very possible that Deepak had nothing to do with what transpired, so there may be nothing to be gained from a 'turning'.

1,519 posted on 07/07/2005 7:31:59 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: xsmommy
Its clear that they are SUGGESTING that they KNOW something. They SAID THEY WOULD reveal SOMETHING that would DEVASTATE and SHOCK Americans if any of the suspects were released. I guess their word isn't worth much either.

Hasn't happened so I'm thinking they are just bluffing and the Arubans have already called their bluff.

1,520 posted on 07/07/2005 7:35:05 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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