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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16
Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

Posted on 08/26/2005 4:40:09 PM PDT by TexKat

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)


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To: Yellow Jacket
I do not see what possible benefit ALE would have to go soft on them. The benefit of concealing the evidence of a crime of kidnap, rape and murder would be that the precious Aruban tourist industry could continue under the misrepresentation that there is no crime on Aruba.

Since tourism is the only major industry on Aruba, there is enormous pressure and incentive from the government and business to conceal crime.

1,901 posted on 09/16/2005 2:02:15 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: Yellow Jacket
Urine was not held 116 days, but let go early so he could go to university.

What about the victim, Natalee, who had full scholarship for pre-med. What about her future. America has lost a treasure, and that treasure was lost on the little scab of an island, Aruba.

1,902 posted on 09/16/2005 2:06:58 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: MAWG
My comments regarding Dr. Phils' show yesterday start at # 1822 of this thread Frou. Many more follow as well. Phil was great. He was angry, called for a boycott of Aruba and apparently has had his own investigative team in Aruba for a while now. He told Beth that he would do ANYTHING he could to help solve this case. It was great, to say the least

The only way I see to solve this case is to use private justice. Aruba is not capable or willing to solve this crime, probably because of who was involved. They know the evil that they did to Natalee and they have chosen it. I don't care what evil befalls that island now.

1,903 posted on 09/16/2005 2:21:35 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Yellow Jacket
As far as bribes - there are so many people involved in this "conspiracy" that the bribe tab would truly be astronomical.

I see that you and I agree on one thing.

Yes, the bribe tab would be truly astronomical, and could only be necessitated by the need for coverup of drug transshipment from Columbia and Venezuela, and subsequent money laundering thru Aruba's casinos and banks.

The vice can of worms in Aruba has no limits.

1,904 posted on 09/16/2005 2:29:00 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: af_vet_1981
I agree. I'd love to see the island go bankrupt and it might. MSM is gonna pick this story up again and run with it.Like you, I'd love to meet up with these punks some day.

And, to ALL, If I may, dont feed that POS Troll who signed up today please. Just ignore it and it will go away. It only wants to argue and nothing else. Its' real name is Rippersnapper. PLEASE, ignore it. Thank You.

1,905 posted on 09/16/2005 2:31:22 PM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: MAWG
dont feed that POS Troll who signed up today please. Just ignore it and it will go away. It only wants to argue and nothing else. Its' real name is Rippersnapper

Thanks for letting us know. I was beginning to wonder if it was possibly IamTito or trueben, who we don't hear from anymore.

1,906 posted on 09/16/2005 2:37:32 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: shebacal

You're very welcome, Shebacal.


1,907 posted on 09/16/2005 2:40:14 PM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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Prayers and a bump!


1,908 posted on 09/16/2005 3:00:47 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: MAWG

Thanks, MAWG, I did think that was the case. Ugh.


1,909 posted on 09/16/2005 3:04:47 PM PDT by BlueHorseShoe
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To: BlueHorseShoe; TexKat; justche; Malichi; MAWG; Froufrou; All

Geraldo coming up on O'Reilly this evening with a report on Natalee's case.


1,910 posted on 09/16/2005 5:17:05 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: shebacal

Missed putting you on my last post. Geraldo report on Natlee coming up on O'Reilly soon.


1,911 posted on 09/16/2005 5:19:55 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: RGVTx
Geraldo report on Natlee coming up on O'Reilly soon

Thanks for the alert. I need to get off the computer and turn on the TV to be sure and see it.

1,912 posted on 09/16/2005 5:23:36 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: RGVTx

Thanks for the heads up


1,913 posted on 09/16/2005 5:24:19 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: justche
The only thing Geraldo said worth repeating is why no rape charges have been filed. No victim, no corroborating evidence. Joran's statement alone is not enough to make a rape case stick.

Sounds like the same reasons murder charges won't stick.

Oh, one more thing. Geraldo said he liked the way O'Reilly said Joran's name...Van der Slut. **snickering**
1,914 posted on 09/16/2005 5:48:55 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: justche

Dateline tonight talking about the honeymoon cruise mystery.


1,915 posted on 09/16/2005 6:07:53 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams

I haven't seen any updates to that one, or Amanda? the one that is 9 months pregnant and missing


1,916 posted on 09/16/2005 6:10:22 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: RGVTx

From the Gretawire:

Tito Lacle, the investigative reporter for one of the newspapers in Aruba and a frequent guest on our show, is coming to New York in the next few weeks for a vacation. Our staff is going to try and track him down and take him to dinner for all his help to the show. I am hoping to join them as well (I live in D.C. — when not living on an airplane.) Tito has been very helpful and has become a friend to all us

Yeah, I'd like to track him down too....


1,917 posted on 09/16/2005 6:13:31 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: af_vet_1981
The only way I see to solve this case is to use private justice.

Somebody needs to get into that vanderslut house and take a peek around. Probably too late though. They cleaned the car up, I'm sure they cleaned the house up too.

Or were you thinking of something a little more... direct? I just can't stand it when people get away with things like this. :(

1,918 posted on 09/16/2005 6:21:54 PM PDT by johnb838 (Logic and reason are tools of the white oppressor.)
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To: justche

Beth will be on Greta within the next hour.


1,919 posted on 09/16/2005 6:57:30 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: shebacal
Thanks for letting us know. I was beginning to wonder if it was possibly IamTito or trueben, who we don't hear from anymore.

LOL. I was thinking they sounded like they may know the Native Lingo.

1,920 posted on 09/16/2005 7:28:25 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: justche
From the Gretawire: Tito Lacle, the investigative reporter for one of the newspapers in Aruba and a frequent guest on our show, is coming to New York in the next few weeks for a vacation.

Investigative? Please...mouthpiece of Paulus is more like it.

1,921 posted on 09/16/2005 7:32:35 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Yellow Jacket

Hi all. I normally just lurk, but want to throw in my .02 here. PVDS admitted the whole thing in his interview with the Dutch "Nova" program. He denied orchestrating a coverup, and maintained that he just told the boys "not to worry, with no body there can be no crime." So the boys did have something to worry about, he knows there was a death (body), and he knows the body won't be found.

So we don't need any more crap from the Aruban spin machine (and yes, it is an organized effort) about lack of evidence.

Interesting screen name. Isn't Yellow Jacket the name of Steve Croes' band?


1,922 posted on 09/16/2005 9:11:56 PM PDT by agsloss
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To: agsloss
You know you're right. That fat slob's band was named The Yellow Jackets.

I wonder if ole Steve, Paulus, Rueben, Joran, Deepak or Satish know what a .45cal 185gr Rem Golden Saber would do to their collective thick-ass skulls when traveling at 1140 fps and hitting with 534 ft/lbs of energy.

BANG! Sploosh!

I think that is the only thing that will get these dipsh*t's attention. Aruba is an island. We could go in there and nab Steve, Deepak, Satish, or Anita, and Joran's two brothers with a small team and good chances of success. Hell the Aruban police are so busy smoking crack they wouldn't even notice the gunshots.

TAW

1,923 posted on 09/16/2005 9:42:36 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: shebacal

I am getting ready to mail some letters. How much postage do you have to put on an envelope going to Aruba?


1,924 posted on 09/17/2005 6:16:07 AM PDT by LongViewSC
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To: shebacal
As far as bribes - there are so many people involved in this "conspiracy" that the bribe tab would truly be astronomical.

Perhaps, but not all of the corruption / sting pulling needed to be done for money. The father of Joran Van Der Sloot was best friends with the chief of police. In my opinion, the only reasonable conclusion is that the chief deliberately lead the investigation a stray during the first ten days to provide cover up time. Some money may have changed hands, but more likely PVDS knows of other wrong doings in Aruba and their is a lot of mutual interest in protecting PVDS and his son. This pattern could have been repeated again and again on this corrupt island.

1,925 posted on 09/17/2005 6:39:43 AM PDT by LongViewSC
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To: Malichi

I wonder if average people can buy guns in Aruba. Thinking of the people that need self protection of course. I guess if they can't buy them in Aruba they might be able to get them in Columbia or Venezuela (those two countries are probably only a couple of hours away by speed boat).


1,926 posted on 09/17/2005 6:47:23 AM PDT by LongViewSC
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To: shebacal

"According to Aruban law" is the way yellow jacket began one post....could have been any number of "Aruban spokespersons" including Ms. Schiffer-whatever her name is. The phraseology makes me think it is definately one of those types.


1,927 posted on 09/17/2005 7:07:04 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: outinyellowdogcountry; All

Local: 'I know what happened to Natalie Holloway'
Ocala Star Banner ^ | 9/15/05 | RYAN CONLEY

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1486416/posts


1,928 posted on 09/17/2005 10:00:52 AM PDT by Lucy Lake
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To: truthluva; Froufrou; TexKat; All
Reading on RWV, I found this from "scubajap" the infamous American journalist living on Aruba. This was posted 9/15 as she attempts to excuse what Deepak said about Natalee concerning his responses to Skeeter in the interview heard on Dr. Phil. (Deepak Kalpoe: Natalee Holloway Dressed Like Slut - Had Sex With All 3 Suspects)

"Many men of middle eastern background feel that the behavior of western women is slutty-I have experienced it myself while traveling extensively in the middle east-that does not make him and evil person-just heavily influenced by his cultural upbringing."

When I heard Deepak's comments about Natalee's dress, etc. it crossed my mind that perhaps Mama Kalpoe may have lied to us about something else when she said her boys were "good Hindus." Suriname is 20+% Islamic in faith. Maybe Mama K is smart enough (or somebody running her is) to attempt to manipulate us. Says NH did not like her boys because they are "black"; knows enough to figure it's not a good idea to say boys are Islamic? Good old scubajap may have let something slip, sort of like Deepak referring to NH as the "body."

1,929 posted on 09/17/2005 10:19:23 AM PDT by penowa (I've been Quinnoculated, have you?)
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To: penowa

Interesting - I sure wish there was an investigative reporter that could really figure out who the kalpoes are. A few people have popped up here and there about Joran, but with the exception of Depaks boss, haven't heard anyone outside the family talk of them.


1,930 posted on 09/17/2005 11:39:32 AM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: LongViewSC

For overseas posting, always go to the
post office. They will weigh them and
tell you exactly how much it costs & they
will post them on the spot.


1,931 posted on 09/17/2005 12:01:20 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: the Deejay

Deejay, Thanks. I put 80 cents worth of stamps on each envelop. The lady I called at the post office said that should do it for a one page letter. Hopefully she was right. I dropped the letters in a box today. I also sent a few dozen email encouraging friends and family to write and boycott Aruba.


1,932 posted on 09/17/2005 12:54:34 PM PDT by LongViewSC
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To: LongViewSC

Early on, like a few months ago,
someone on FR posted the postal
charges for Aruba & they seemed
almost double + 80 cents.

Well, fingers crossed, your letter
won't come back "postage due."


1,933 posted on 09/17/2005 1:05:25 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: LongViewSC

Bookmark.


1,934 posted on 09/17/2005 7:52:30 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Geraldo just juxtaposed Beth, the fmr FBI guy, himself, and CATHERINE CRIER, who was promoting her book, something against the "right" (surprise)...but what did Crier's book have to do with Beth and Natalee? Bad judgement on Geraldo's or their producer's part to let Crier's anti-evangelical screed piggy back on Beth/Natalee.


1,935 posted on 09/17/2005 7:57:27 PM PDT by gg188
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To: gg188; TexKat
Geraldo has absolutely no sense. He referred to Natalee as fish food prior to Beth's appearance, then told Beth he didn't hold out much hope that anybody was going to be rearrested and then ends the segment comparing Evangelical Christians with Muslim extremists.

If I were Beth I would never appear on his show again.

PS, WHERE IS TEXCAT?

1,936 posted on 09/17/2005 8:04:39 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Dark Skies
I remember somewhere upthread that he (Buckets) recently made a trip to Miami (and the distinct impression was that it had to do with porn films).

"Buckets."

LOL!

I recall (perhaps erroneously) that a Carlos and Charlie's was going to be opened in Miami-maybe Buckets has (or wants) a piece of the action in Miami. Or, maybe it is a "reward" for deflecting attention from others who were also involved in Natalee's being missing.

Do you recall which Fla. school Joran was planning to attend? Anywhere near Miami?
1,937 posted on 09/17/2005 8:23:15 PM PDT by hummingbird (21st Century Newsreporting - "Don't get me started!")
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To: outinyellowdogcountry
..could have been any number of "Aruban spokespersons" including Ms. Schiffer-whatever her name is.

In the hopes that Yellow Jacket would become irritated and tip his/her hand a little more, I was beginning to respond to him/her with derisive statements against Aruba, (such as "America has lost a treasure, and that treasure was lost on the little scab of an island, Aruba.. I had noticed the poster was brand-new to this thread and had just signed on that day, and I was suspicious from the beginning, then MAWG let us know it was a troll formerly known as Rippersnapper.

So here are some troll monikers so far: IamTito, trueben, and Rippersnapper.

There are several posters here who are good at spotting them. One is a Texas cowgirl with a big lasso.

1,938 posted on 09/17/2005 8:27:54 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: LongViewSC
How much postage do you have to put on an envelope going to Aruba?

These postage rates were posted some time ago:

Here are the rates from the USA - Remember to mark it "AIRMAIL"

1.0 ounce or less Airmail "Letter" to Aruba is $0.80 USD - Estimated Delivery Time 4 to 7 days

1.1 ounce to 2.0 ounce Airmail "Letter" to Aruba is $1.55 USD - Estimated Delivery Time 4 to 7 days

2.1 ounce to 3.0 ounce Airmail "Letter" to Aruba is $2.30 USD - Estimated Delivery Time 4 to 7 days

Postcard to Aruba via Airmail is $0.70 each Maximum Postcard size: 6 inches long by 4-1/4 inches high

1,939 posted on 09/17/2005 8:43:08 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: Dolphy

Ugh, I can't stand Catherine hatesallthingschristiancrybaby.
I did hear something new tonight though, the FBI guy said there was a cage missing, big enough to put a smaller body in, and weigh it down. As much as I want to hold out hope she's been shipped off the island, hearing what Depak said, I'm losing hope in that. But if it was a cage, there would still be something to recover I would think?


1,940 posted on 09/17/2005 9:07:38 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: justche
Yes, the missing cage was new to me too. And I also agree, my hopes of Natalee being alive have dimmed considerably. It is a horribly ugly side of mankind that not one of these three men would not be overcome by guilt or some sense of right and wrong. It is an equally ugly side of all those involved, from the government to the men's families, that none could be drawn to any light except that that shines on their own interests.

As for the cage...who knows where it may have been dumped. I still remember PVDS early on saying that he hoped Joran would stay strong. What could that have meant except that he knew there would be no evidence outside of a confession.
1,941 posted on 09/17/2005 9:25:28 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: All
ScaredMonkeys.com

Actually Aruba Truth Gets Its Wrong, Part 1
September 17th, 2005 by Scared Monkeys

A website dedicated to providing the truth of what is or is not being accomplished in Aruba called ArubaTruth.com has decided to inform us as to the truth of the Dr. Phil interview. With all that has gone on in the last month of the Kalpoe brothers being rearrested then released, Joran Van der Sloot being released and then allowed to fly off to The Netherlands and all restrictions against the suspects lifted by a Judge during the last set of appeals; ArubaTruth has decided to inform us on the truth of a syndicated American Talk show, The Dr Phil Show that did a segment on missing teen Natalee Holloway?

Folks, where were the posts explaining how on earth these three suspects were allowed to walk out of prison with no restrictions? Allowed to walk among the Aruban people knowing the evidence that exists even if many wish to discount it? ArubaTruth.com stated the following:

His entire program was designed to prove that Aruba was responsible for the inability of the office of the prosecution to charge the three suspects with either kidnapping, rape or murder. No information was allowed in the program that would have refuted any of the charges by Beth Holloway Twitty or the other guests.

Let me just make one thing perfectly clear. I have visited Aruba over 25 times in my life since I was the age of 5. Along the way I have met many good people. That is not to say I have also met some less than good ones as well.

I and many Americans have nothing against the good and kind hearted people of Aruba; however, we do question those that have been put in charge to find justice for Natalee Holloway.

The situation regarding those questioning the investigation and those that are puzzled by Judges decisions to release without restrictions have nothing to no with criticisms against the Aruban people. As much as those that seem to want to combine the two make it out to be. Like many countries, it becomes a cottage industry to keep people fighting and blaming one another while others sit back and refuse to take responsibility for their actions.

I will make this observation as it would appear that there are more than just potential and alleged murder charges that may be sought in this case. After hearing certain comments from the Dr. Phil Show from Deepak Kalpoe referring to Natalee Holloway as a slut I would question the good people of Aruba especially the women if your justice department is looking out after you.

Deepak Kalpoe’s own mother stated the following, “Come on, we all lie. We all lie as big people. I know that I lie sometimes“.

Forget us Americans and tourists that visit Aruba, what about your own safety? Having seen how most dress and act in Aruba, does one really think that this is a normal attitude to take, especially when its discussing someone who is most likely deceased?

Blogging and being a part of the Internet in a non-traditional method of communication is free speech at its finest. The mere definition of blogging and why one gets involved is to question authority of those around you in power and do so with passion and honesty. Blogging and voicing one’s opinion on the Internet is the latest non-traditional form of “free speech” that exists in todays society and to get the real news to people who may be unaware of the events that are transpiring.

I actually find the site that wishes to pronounce “truth” as somewhat eye opening as it is in fact a vehicle for a specific Government party that is in power. In fact I would go so far as to say that this web site, Aruba Truth, is not about the Aruban people but about a particular point of view that a government wishes to espouse to its people and the millions on-line. Aruba Truth is made up of The Strategic Communications Task Force.

Members of the Strategic Communications Task Force

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA) Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)(Myrna Janssen-Feliciano,
Acting General Manager of the Aruba Tourism Authority)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

On their own site they reference the following in a Questions & Answers post:

Question: How has the task force interacted with the Aruban Government?

Answer: The task force has been in contact with the Aruban Government on a daily basis.

The task force has several members appointed by the Prime Minister and have been active in requesting more resources. The task force urged the inclusion of the Dutch Marines in the search and supported the Prime Minister in his decision to give the FBI a larger role in the investigation.

I am sorry, but I question and so should everyone any organization that’s sole purpose is to give the party line, was formulated by a government, has hand selected government appointees and reports daily to the government. The chief spokesperson for the Aruban government, Mr. Ruben Trappenberg, is a part of this entity. I think a blind person can see what the purpose and agenda of this information dissemination is.

The post, DR PHIL GETS IT WRONG ON ARUBA, states this rather interesting and amazing fact when one considers that the government is behind this web site:

It was an example of how a well regarded talk show host can use his power to play at being a journalist and distort a country’s efforts to solve the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Power? What is more powerful than that of governmental power? Maybe only Judicial power. These statements are almost comical coming from a closed informational society with a legal system that is all but hidden.

I do not need to remind Aruba that for some reason the only 24-7 news outlet they get in still CNN. This has existed for some 15 years. I could have understood this when CNN was the only game in town, but how does an island nation with 70% American tourists only have satellite access to one media outlet?

Whats happened to Fox News, MSNBC and CNBC? Does one really wish to get into the debate of power and controlling the media? For all of the media outlets that came to Aruba, how many Aruban’s actually had access to them? Other than the Internet how was anyone going to be able to access any of the stories, discussions and opinions put forth?

They talk of “What Went Wrong” and that there is no evidence of any cover-up.

Beth believes that from the moment she arrived on the island that a cover-up was underway. However, there is no evidence from her or anyone else that there was an effort to hide evidence, or collude between the Van der Sloot’s and top cop, Van der Stratten.

To date, no physical evidence, no body, no DNA has emerged. Dr. Phil and Beth would have you believe that it does exist and has been suppressed.

What they are getting wrong is the notion of PERCEPTION. With the lack of any investigation, evidence and three suspects walking the street one wonders what Aruban authorities would expect?

The fact that Paul Van der Sloot was a judge in training or as one might refer to in the US as a clerk is a major perception issue. The fact that Paul Van der Sloot coached the three suspects is also another major issue. The fact that the suspects stories have changed over and over is yet another. One would have to argue over the DNA evidence, seeing that one judge allowed the DNA of suspects to be taken, then another throws out the DNA and never allows the DNA to be taken again from the suspects.

More importantly from a perspective point of view and what went wrong for many Americans and people around the world for that matter is the fact that the three people last seen with Natalee Holloway were never initially considered SUSPECTS, as ABC news reported.

Police questioned and released three Aruban men who said they dropped Holloway off early Monday at the Holiday Inn, where she had been staying about 3 miles from the capital of Oranjestad, said police assistant inspector Jules Sambo. The three were not suspects, he said.

This in itself is the single biggest screw up and the reason why “what went wrong.” This is the reason why the family and many question the investigation and Van der Stratten and any ties that Paul Van der Sloot may have had with authorities.

Whether or not there were valid reason to suspect the security guards is one thing and will come out in the future; however, not to suspect the last three individuals ever seen with Natalee Holloway from day one is criminal. Instead the three persons of interest then witnesses were finally arrested some ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

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1,942 posted on 09/17/2005 9:28:07 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: TexKat
Pinging TexKat!!!!

Anybody know what has happened to TexKat? Her last post was nine days ago.

Is her son in Iraq ok? I believe his rank/name is Staff Sgt. Khevin G. Smith.

TAW
1,943 posted on 09/17/2005 10:39:07 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: Malichi
You know you're right. That fat slob's band was named The Yellow Jackets.


Steve Croes aka Yellow Jacket

1,944 posted on 09/17/2005 11:08:32 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: shebacal

"In the words of a great American who did all he could against terrorism "Let's roll"

AMEN!


It is so up to us to do what we can by writing the letters not only to THEIR government, but to OURS...our government should be letting theirs know we are outraged by all this and won't stand for it. Lets help Beth and let her know she is not alone in this. Natalee is EVERYONE'S daughter! Let's make our voices heard and also PRAY that somehow, someway, DNA evidence appears so we can nail URINE, his sleazy, sweating swine father and the Kalpoop Brothers!

ALSO and this is HUGELY important...flood the MSM with emails saying you want the Holloway case back on the airwaves like it was before....this is what the Aruban government does NOT want, this is what URINE and the rest of them, DON'T WANT....so let's give them TONS of what they DON'T WANT! If enough people let the MSM know we want this case on the front burner, it will be so.


1,945 posted on 09/17/2005 11:20:07 PM PDT by LegalEagle61
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To: hummingbird
Do you recall which Fla. school Joran was planning to attend?

Hi HB, I had noted two colleges were mentioned as possibilities in various forums and they were Saint Leo University in Tampa and University of Central Florida in Orlando.

1,946 posted on 09/18/2005 8:05:25 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: Malichi
I'm here Malichi. My son is fine, I talked with him on Friday. How is everyone, fine I hope. I have been in the process of moving, getting my daughter situated in her new apartment and back to college. An additional new boss with several subordinates that is my duty to support.

In other words more work and not enough hours in the day. I have missed you guys. I received p-mail from GarySpcFrcs that the curb had been lifted from the 3 suspects. As if we did not suspect that to happen!

1,947 posted on 09/18/2005 10:46:33 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: LegalEagle61
ALSO and this is HUGELY important...flood the MSM with emails saying you want the Holloway case back on the airwaves like it was before....

I will be e-mailing these reporters again, asking them to please continue to report on Beth Twitty's and Dave Holloway's search for Natalee, to keep the news spotlight on Aruba for Natalee's sake and to prevent this happening to other young people on Aruba.

Greta van Susteren
Dan Abrams
Geraldo Rivera
Nancy Grace
Catherine Crier
John Gibson
Sean Hannity
Joe Scarborough
Bill O'Reilly
Alan Colmes
Rita Cosby

...this is what the Aruban government does NOT want...

Absolutely, the Aruban government does not want the continued media attention. They are working overtime to emphasize how safe and friendly Aruba is for tourists. And, working just as hard to sweep Natalee under the rug to be forgotten as quickly as possible. Right now the Aruban newspapers are reporting on a "dream fantasy island wedding" that took place there a week or so ago.

The irony of Aruba promoting and celebrating dream weddings on their island, while they brush aside the life and potential of a wonderful young woman like Natalee enrages me.

The pressure on the media from the American public is vital to assist the Holloway/Twitty family in their fight for justice for Natalee.

1,948 posted on 09/18/2005 11:05:55 AM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: TexKat
Welcome back, TexKat. We have been attempting to hold down the fort while you were away.
1,949 posted on 09/18/2005 11:10:55 AM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: Andy'smom; NCjim; sissyjane; antceecee; ruoflaw; Mare; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; ...
Keeping Natalee in the spotlight

Sunday, September 18, 2005

KATHY KEMP News staff writer

Beth Holloway Twitty tends to hug reporters.

She asks about their families and seems to mean it. In interviews, she rarely breaks eye contact and begins every few sentences with the reporter's name, as in, "Dan, it's just been a nightmare," or "You know, Larry, I can't tell you how frustrating this is."

Twitty talks daily by phone with Greta Van Susteren, the Fox News personality who practically moved to Aruba to report the story that has captivated people around the world and turned the grieving mother into a peculiar kind of superstar. Natalee Holloway, Twitty's 18-year-old daughter, disappeared May 30 during a trip to Aruba with fellow recent graduates of Mountain Brook High School. Outside a nightclub there, she got into a car with three young men and hasn't been heard from since.

"I learned pretty quickly that when you're desperately searching for a missing child, the news media is your best friend," says Twitty, who moved back to Mountain Brook last week after three-and-a-half months in Aruba.

"Point me toward a camera and I'll talk. What happens is, it opens doors. Somebody will come forward with information, or tell us another place to look. We're opening one door after another, and one of them will lead us to Natalee."

Throughout the investigation, Twitty has appeared reasonable and dignified, even as three suspects were arrested, released, arrested again and finally re-released this month. The ever-present cameras were there when Twitty calmly marched up to suspect Deepak Kalpoe at his job in an Internet cafe and demanded the truth about her daughter. All Kalpoe could do was stare at the ground.

They followed, too, as she confronted Paulus van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot. Joran is the Dutch national who Twitty says has confessed to the Aruban police that he had sex with Natalee while the Alabama teen was in and out of consciousness. "If that's not a crime, I don't know what is," she says.

The case now appears stalled. But neither terrorist bombings in London nor a killer Gulf Coast hurricane could make the story go away.

"It's all because of Beth," says Jim Moret, chief correspondent for the syndicated television show "Inside Edition." He has interviewed Twitty several times, and flew to Aruba recently just to take her to lunch.

Finding her child: "People feel like they know Beth now, and they want to hear about the case from her," Moret says. "It's like she's become a part of their family. How many parents do you know who can't identify with a mother who just wants to find her child?"

Twitty's brother, Paul Reynolds, says viewers are drawn to Twitty's honesty and sincerity. "People come up to Beth, wanting to express their sorrow, and she turns it around and starts comforting them," Reynolds says. "She's a very caring, giving person."

The near daily TV appearances that made her famous this summer don't seem to have slowed down. Moret interviewed Twitty last week in Birmingham for a two-part segment that aired Thursday and Friday. Also Thursday, Phil McGraw devoted his entire "Dr. Phil" show to Natalee's disappearance. Twitty flew to Los Angeles to appear on that program and was recognized by strangers on the street.

"People come up and hug me all the time," Twitty says. "I get so much strength from their support. For 22 years I've been a teacher, and I've felt like I was the helpful one, pulling the children along. Now I feel like everybody else is pulling me."

Wednesday evening, less than 24 hours after she moved back to Birmingham, Twitty twice appeared live on cable's MSNBC - first with lawyer and "Abrams Report" host Dan Abrams at 6 p.m., and, nearly three hours later, with anchor Rita Cosby on her program "Rita Cosby: Live and Direct."

For those interviews, Twitty and her husband, Jug, drove to a downtown production studio, where she was hooked up to a satellite feed to Washington and New York. They made the drive twice over the weekend so she could talk to Fox's Geraldo Rivera and to Van Susteren, who Twitty considers a close friend.

"Greta has taught me a lot," Twitty says, sitting cross-legged on the floor of her living room. "Greta's a lawyer, and she's taught me the red flags to look for and the key elements to seek. She's raised my awareness of things that go on in an investigation."

Twitty, a speech pathologist and special education teacher, is on leave from her job at Brookwood Forest Elementary School, thanks to co-workers who've donated enough off days to get Twitty through December. She is not wasting a minute, sleeping just four to six hours a night, and then back to the search for Natalee.

With Joran van der Sloot in college in Holland now, Twitty decided to move her base of operations back to Birmingham. "But I'll be flying back and forth to Aruba," she says. "We are not giving up on Natalee. Until somebody shows me otherwise, I have to believe my daughter's alive."

"I'd be in the laundromat and he'd show up. I'd go to a restaurant, and a minute or two later, he'd be there. I feel like I need to be more cautious now, but they're not going to stop me from looking for Natalee."

Twitty's husband, family members, friends and strangers all talk about her strength. "Beth amazes me," says Jug Twitty, a manager at Phoenix Metals, a diversified metals processor in Birmingham. "I totally admire what she's done."

"Frankly, I never would have anticipated she had this much strength and courage," her brother, a nursing home administrator in Houston, Tex., says. "She had to become stronger, to do this for her daughter."

Partial to jeans:

Physically, Twitty seems fragile, as if a bear hug might do her in. She is tall and thin - down 14 pounds from her normal 134. She's partial to blue jeans and sandals, and bears a striking resemblance to the actress Marg Helgenberger, down to the shoulder-length reddish-blond hair.

In public, Twitty smiles most of the time. Even so, her blue-gray eyes seem haunted by the things she's heard and seen, and by all that she's still looking for.

"Some of the places we've had to go to look for my daughter would make you sick," she says in that now-familiar flat Southern accent. She's talking about the Aruban crack houses, the live-girl shows and the other seedy places she and Jug have gone in the middle of the night when the phone rings with a Natalee sighting.

"We'd get a call about a body on the side of the road, and we'd rush out to see if it was Natalee," Twitty says. "It got to where you'd sleep with your clothes on so you could just get up and run."

The Twittys' life here is vastly different. They live in a split-level brick home off Overton Road, modest by Mountain Brook standards and, until Natalee's disappearance, happily concerned themselves with children, family, friends and church. The couple attends Saint Stephen's Episcopal Church in Cahaba Heights.

On television, Twitty has appeared in the company of an endless assortment of female friends, mostly her age, who appear devoted to both her and Natalee. They answer Twitty's mail, schedule her interviews and step in front of the cameras themselves when Twitty gives the word.

Many of those friends are part of a network that goes back more than a decade. It started with a group of seven male friends from the Birmingham area, including Jug Twitty, who went on hunting trips together. As they married, their wives became part of the "Fabulous Seven," as did their children.

The seven families vacation together, share holidays and weekend dinners and help raise each other's kids. When Beth married into the group five years ago, six couples joined her and Jug on their Mexican honeymoon. And when Natalee disappeared, those same six couples were at their side in Aruba.

"Natalee has seven sets of parents," group member Betsy Koepsel says. "We have 23 kids all together."

With Twitty back home, Koepsel and others, including Twitty's teacher friends, have set up a kind of command post in the home of one of The Seven, Marcie DeBardeleben. Earlier this week, DeBardeleben's former storage room was a beehive of organized activity, as volunteers sorted the tens of thousands of e-mails, letters and keepsakes that have poured in since Natalee's disappearance.

"I found one letter addressed to `Beth Holloway Twitty, U.S.A.,'" Koepsel says. "Or people will write, `Beth Twitty, Alabama,' or "Beth Twitty, Aruba,' and they always find their way to her."

Twitty is determined to answer them all. "I want to respond to everyone who's reached out to me," she says. "Without them, I don't think I could have stood this."

People have sent her CDs with music they recorded especially for Natalee. There are rosary cards, religious statues, hand-made quilts and books about hope. Every day, Twitty picks a tiny cross or angel that a well-wisher has sent and carries it in her pocket.

The letters and e-mails are sorted by state, so that she can show them to legislators and congressmen across the country to ask for their support. She is asking Americans to consider not traveling to Aruba until Natalee is found and brought home.

Three-page letters:

Some of the letter-writers tell Twitty of dreams in which they've seen Natalee in a well, or dead in the water. Many letters are three pages or more - from across the U.S. and around the world. Most offer support and prayers to the family, and for those she is especially grateful.

There have been a few e-mails and blog posts accusing Twitty of being a media hound. Her friends and family know her as anything but. "Beth's actually kind of a quiet person, and private," DeBardeleben says.

Bruce Roberts, a friend of Twitty's since their high school days in Pine Bluff, Ark., agrees. "She's never been a flashy person. At school, she was kind of quiet, not a cheerleader or anything like that. Just nice, friendly Beth."

Twitty grew up in the town of 50,000, the daughter of the late Paul Reynolds, an entrepreneur and nursing home owner, and Ann Reynolds, who worked for a savings and loan company. The family attended the small Methodist church across the street from their home and spent summers at their Hot Springs lake house swimming, boating and skiing.

Twitty, at 45, is the youngest of the three Reynolds children. Her other brother, John, 49, the middle child, is an entrepreneur in Arkansas, where their mother still lives. Twitty earned a master's degree in speech pathology at Arkansas State University and married her college sweetheart, Dave Holloway, the father of Natalee and her younger brother, Matt, who lives with his mother and stepfather.

Beth and Dave settled in Jackson, Miss., but eventually divorced. They continued to live in the same neighborhood until Beth remarried and moved to Mountain Brook in 2000. Holloway, with his wife, Robin, and their two kids, moved to Meridian, Miss., where he runs a State Farm Insurance agency.

Holloway says Beth never sought the media attention. Rather, it came to her and latched on. "My opinion is, there was just no other news to come across that day. And some TV executive decided, let's go on vacation in Aruba," Holloway says.

The media has remained focused on his ex-wife, Holloway says, because she's the one who was able to stay in Aruba all summer and keep the story going. "Beth's a schoolteacher, so she was off all summer, but I had to come back and go to work," Holloway says.

"When reporters call, I try to accommodate them. But I'm not near a major news center, so they have to send a truck to get me on camera. So there's that extra cost involved."

People who know Twitty say the soft-spoken, down-to-earth mom seen on TV is exactly who Twitty is. "She adores children," says Carol Standifer, who, in her former job as special education director for Mountain Brook schools, hired Twitty for her current job. "I was with her in Aruba, and I can honestly say that Beth was at her most relaxed when she was handing out Natalee bracelets to schoolchildren."

While away, Twitty says, she worried about Matt, who just turned 17. "Now that I'm home, I see that Matt's fine and I don't worry anymore. Every mother in Mountain Brook was looking after him."

Matt pulls up to their house in his new Toyota Tundra and comes in to hug his mother. When he smiles, his braces show. Matt's approach to Natalee's disappearance is different from his parents'. "I try not to think about it," he says, then heads off to his room.

Natalee's bedroom is off limits to reporters. "I don't think she'd like people looking at her things," Twitty says. Natalee's favorite movie is "The Wizard of Oz," and she has a collection of Oz-related items. A favorite line from the movie now has special meaning for the family: As young Dorothy acknowledged, "There's no place like home."

Mother and daughter were very close, the result, Twitty says, of her long tenure as a single mom. The two loved to shop.

Twitty says she plans to start a foundation one day in Natalee's honor, using money left over from donations for the search. Those donations, in an Amsouth Bank account, have helped fund the family's stay in Aruba and paid for lawyers and investigators they've hired. Twitty says she has no idea how much money has been collected, though a fund-raising auction of Hollywood-related items, donated by Mountain Brook native Courteney Cox, raised more than $110,000. A $1 million reward for the safe return of Natalee was funded by private sources.

"I couldn't live with myself if something good doesn't come out of this," Twitty says. She is firm in her belief that she's done all she can to find Natalee. "No second guesses whatsoever," she says. Twitty is less sure about things she might have done before Natalee's disappearance.

"I think anybody, under these circumstances, would wonder whether you could have said or done something more. But none of that matters now."

Twitty maintains a quiet dignity, even as she finds it hard to sit still. "I feel like I need to be doing something all the time," she says. "I don't feel like I can slow down."

She credits God for her strength and talks about her faith with her supporters, including old friend Bruce Roberts in Arkansas. He recently organized a prayer service in Pine Bluff to honor Natalee and was surprised when Twitty took time to attend.

"I said to her, Beth, you're a hero," Roberts recalls. "She said, `No, I'm just a mom.'"

1,950 posted on 09/18/2005 11:44:12 AM PDT by TexKat
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