Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16

Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

[TexKat]

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)

[justche]

mmmm, a girl left crying on the beach? After an attack of some sort? I can't imagine willingly going anywhere without her girlfriends.

I can't keep Joran out of the equasion of whatever happened, to put Natalee wherever she currently is.

[justche]

In Other news:

Tulane Medical Center with over 1000(?) current patients is contemplating air evacuations of all patients.

Water is rising at one inch every hour I think she said. (Man, where did my short term memory go, I'd like it back!)

There was a man crying--he said his house split in half, and he didn't know where his wife was. The poor little reporter almost lost it standing there with him.

How do people hook back up after something like this?

[RGVTx]

What's your theory on why Natalee was upset and maybe crying?

[Froufrou]

Is it that you suspect the boys had their way, but then left like they said they did? If so, I imagine they would have been instructed to leave her there, by whomever it was who was the intended recipient. She'd have been upset and crying as the rufie wore off, not knowing or able to recall what may have happened.

DR. Doo, I can buy your yacht scenario but I think they knew she would be there on the beach.

[RGVTx]

The flaw in the doc's theory is an upset, crying Natalee turning to strangers and getting on a yacht with these strangers, handsome or not.

An upset, victimized Natalee would have only gone with close friends, family, or someone she thought she could trust. Someone like a police officer is the only kind of stranger Natalee would have willing gone anywhere with and it wouldn't have been to a yacht. I even have my doubts that she would have trusted a male police officer at that moment. Natalee would have been looking for security. She likely would have ran from strangers at that moment. She would likely have been in a state of shock at the time. She would not have felt safe until she was with someone she was very close to and trusted with her life.

[RGVTx]

A handsome guy - or maybe a group of people - approaches her, consoles her and invites her to go someplace fun on her last night... like a yacht. She's never been on a yacht and the guy makes a persuasive case. (After all, NH was kind of "trusting" about going off with someone that night.)

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Do you really think an upset, crying and most likely traumatized Natalee would be in a state of mind to say "All right!! Party on!!"

If you believe that is possible, then you don't have a clue.

[RGVTx]

Absolutely not! Even if she willingly left with Joran, she didn't bargain for sexual assault. A sexual assault victim would not want anything to do with strangers immediately after the assault. No way! A sexual assault victim can be so traumatized at first that they may not even recognize a friend or even a family member at first. She might run from them or even possibly fight against them if running wasn't an option. Until she had time to snap they were friends and not her attacker returning to do her more harm. That would be her biggest fear at that moment and for a long time to come. Sexual assault is traumatizing and causes the victim to go into a state of extreme fear. Trust of any stranger is gone.

[theophilusscribe]

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[stopem]

Over a million people involved in this disaster of epic proportions. Puts a lot of things in proper perspective. These people are from red states we need to support our own. Red Cross, Salvation Army taking donations. One Million people their homes and livelihood taken away from them.

[Froufrou]

One caveat, RVGTx. The incoherance of the wearing off of the drug. If this was a planned rendezvous (if it happened at all, I think it was) then the one who approached may have even been a woman. Don't forget the '3 men and two women took her to Venezuela' rumor.

Either that, or the man who approached her was more fatherly, stating 'I saw what happened. We got her as fast as we can. Don't worry, we'll help you.' Once they got her on board, fed, rested, etc., she wakes up in a new place and her new life as a [you know] is mapped out for her, payment in exchange for the 'rescue.'

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"...instructed to leave her there..."

a mamasan at home on the computer?

a broker at home on the computer?

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"...Either that,..."

or K2 slipped her even more drugs without the chumps knowledge......

[truthluva]

[Ah Truthluva,

right now I'm in one of my traveling rounds, which gives me time to spend on the threads (WiFi is a travelers best friend). There are stretches that I miss, and this must have been a hot and heavy long thread that I couldn't catch up with.

I hadn't connected the failed judgeship with debts, the timing appears to be close. I never thought anything about PVDS coming back ahead of his wife from the home country, and I never paid attention to the out gambling with his son: that just doesn't ring true. Joran just doesn't strike me as the type of kid who hangs out with his dad for a good time, then again...

Uh, I just heard on the NGrace replay that Deepak wants to sue because of his computer and other items being taken by the authorities...talk about a sense of entitlement.]


LOL...I don't know if anyone could possibly keep up with and actually read every post made in this case. One this site, much less on multiple sights.

This guy, Gene, has made some astute observations over at SM. Some may have been lost in the 'monkey crash' that wiped out some of the posts. I thought his theory had some merit. But, then again, if you listen to all the theories out there ALMOST every theory can make sense. It rattles my brain sometimes. (lol...you can probably tell by some of my goofy questions when that rattle is at its highest crescendo)

I would be elated if she is found alive. This million dollar reward has made me think about what the family may know that has not been made public. I also, like you and many others, think about the No body, No case advice given to the boys. If she's alive...guaranteed there is no body. As far as holding them on suspicion of premeditated murder, could that be to shake them up? The thought of spending pretty much the rest of their lives in prison could loosen up some tongues. If some only know what happened, but were not involved you would think they would start singing like a canary if they thought they might go to jail for a long time. Or, maybe they have information that indicates the crime resulted in her death that we have not heard about yet.

Seems like no matter which theory is discussed, you can also make a case for an opposing theory. I would imagine that the family is weary of all the theories. It sounded like Dave H, when talking about the 800 number for tips, encouraged people to call with information and to please not call with more unsubstantiated theories. There's no telling how many the family has heard.

It's definitely a case that has my attention. I read and research as much as I can. I pray for a miracle everyday, but am becoming a bit jaded by what I hear. Whatever happened to Natalee was not very good. But I think the family deserves to know the truth. Aruba should give them that.

[truthluva]

"Upset and crying... At being sexually assaulted or drugged would be my best guess. It could also be drunken irrationality, confusion, or some perceived guilt ... who knows?

I don't buy the "she-would-never-go-away-with-strangers" argument though because isn't that the ONE thing that we know she did? "


Unless...the offer of help was coming from someone who appeared to be a person of authority...a nice judge, or polis officer...or polis cheif???

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

there was no offer of help.....her fate was sealed before she left CnC's, and it was planned before she even got there.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

Dr. Doonothing
Since Aug 30, 2005

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[texasbluebell]

C. CROES: No. What he said to me — he repeated to me over and over again was his desire to help find her, that if there's anything he could do to help find her, he would, just please ask him, that kind of thing. It was a very — at that point, it was a scared young guy who seemed to be wanting to help.

If we agree that Croes knew more, including his warning, "There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications," then it seems we need to at least consider looking at Joran and his role differently. (I don't mean as an innocent but maybe as a pawn of someone else.)

That reminds me of the description of Joran going over to Beth who was sitting in the car, in a very frustrated voice saying to her something along the lines of: "What can I do now?" or "What do you want me to do now?"

That sounds as if it was out of his hands at that early point in the story.