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To: texasbluebell
That reminds me of the description of Joran going over to Beth who was sitting in the car, in a very frustrated voice saying to her something along the lines of: "What can I do now?" or "What do you want me to do now?"

That sounds as if it was out of his hands at that early point in the story.

I know Beth has described him as being extremely arrogant towards her that night, so much the opposite of what Croes described. I don't know how to reconcile the two views. I don't doubt either description but they are hugely different. I don't know if it's because he could play Croes who didn't challenge him as Beth did or if he truly was scared as Croes described and reacted defensively to Beth.

1,045 posted on 08/30/2005 10:34:04 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Dolphy
I had noticed that difference in their accounts of Joran's behavior and wondered why.

I've thought perhaps Joran has some fear of Charles Croes and would behave differently with him. I can imagine CC asking questions in a calm, but direct manner. I've read some of CC's post on the Aruba website going back before Natalee disappeared. CC has a diplomatic, gracious, friendly style. He strives to represent the best of Aruba. If you've seen his interview with Greta, then you've seen his piercing eyes and the serious, professional manner. I think those are two sides of CC that we've seen. One is the Aruba business man and the other a go-to-man for local information with a bit of detective work.
I think there is more to CC than we know.

I know at one point that meeting at the VDS home became heated. If it was around this time when Beth confronted Joran, then Joran might have been past his 'good boy-I just want to help' routine and had become arrogantly irritated.


So if CC's conversation with Joran was before tempers flared and Beth's confrontation with Joran was during tempers flaring, that could explain the differing descriptions of Joran that night.

A thought on CC and Shango. Some have said Shango must be someone with inside info on other people's secrets, like a priest. I think a cell phone company owner might have some access to other peoples secrets, if he so desired. Whoever Shango is, he doesn't want to blow his cover. A cell phone company owner seems like a good cover and a good information highway all at the same time.
1,047 posted on 08/30/2005 11:30:43 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: Dolphy

Could Beth's interpretation be a language barrier issue? What I mean, but can't seem to find the words for...My hispanic neighbors sound like they are fighting (boisterous and yelling), but when I look they are just having a few friends over. Tone makes a huge difference (at least in English) and if it's not your first language, you can know the words, but come off wrong. I am not trying to defend or offend anyone, just trying to align the 2 accounts of that night...b/c I believe both too.


1,138 posted on 08/31/2005 1:52:28 PM PDT by ftriggerf
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