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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 17

Posted on 11/05/2005 1:26:38 PM PST by Slings and Arrows

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KEYWORDS: boycottaruba; corruptlittleisland; deepakisarapist; jorandidit; natalee; nataleeholloway
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To: penowa

LOL - yes I had forgotten that.


2,641 posted on 01/10/2006 8:53:17 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: justche

What's that all about?

All I'm saying is that it's no longer a disgrace to have a baby while unmarried in the USA. Therefore, the idea behind the hoax letter is ridiculous.

I guess I didn't phrase it correctly.

We haven't been hanging Scarlet Letter A's on women for having babies out of wedlock in over fifty years.

One of my own daughters had a baby without benefit of marriage when she was 17. We raised our grandson until he was six, and she was out of college, and married to a good man.

I certainly didn't mean to offend.

You're not a movie star, are you?


2,642 posted on 01/10/2006 8:54:22 PM PST by Palladin (Senator Biden is a Moron with a capital "M".)
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To: shebacal

Yup, just teeming with people LOL!!


2,643 posted on 01/10/2006 8:55:21 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: shebacal

ROTFLMAO!! I need to write all that down and then practice. I work on computers all day everyday and yet I can't do some of the simplest things. I guess it's just because I haven't MADE myself learn to.


2,644 posted on 01/10/2006 8:59:53 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: leaf errickson

Oh for God's sake, it's stink weed again!! or is that poison ivy??? Either one fits.


2,645 posted on 01/10/2006 9:02:36 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: justche

che I'm one of those Christian Conservatives and I don't have anything ugly to say about single moms. God Bless them for keeping their babies and taking responsibility.


2,646 posted on 01/10/2006 9:05:58 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: Canadian Outrage
it's stink weed again!! or is that poison ivy???

Thanks for saying it best of all.

2,647 posted on 01/10/2006 9:15:39 PM PST by shebacal
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To: shebacal

Fits dontchya think?


2,648 posted on 01/10/2006 9:16:36 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: Canadian Outrage

ya I know.......you all want her dead. I don't. I think she's alive and the phone call and letter offer hope.


2,649 posted on 01/10/2006 9:17:57 PM PST by leaf errickson
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To: shebacal

Incidentally did you watch Sharon Rocha on Greta tonight? She said that the four months that they had to wait before Laci was found was absolute torture. She said she just can't imagine how Beth is coping. Sharon said she knew Laci was dead but that she just HAD to bring her home. She just had to. Who better to explain that kind of pain than Sharon?


2,650 posted on 01/10/2006 9:19:04 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: leaf errickson

We don't want her dead - that's rediculous. But so is the letter rediculous since almost simultaneously the Aruban Law Enforcement is stating that she is dead at someone else's hand.


2,651 posted on 01/10/2006 9:20:54 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Fits dontchya think?

Yes. Where's my 'Crossbow'?

2,652 posted on 01/10/2006 9:51:42 PM PST by shebacal
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To: leaf errickson

LOL, are you back again? Your quotes are from the Nat'l Enquirer of two weeks ago, which were already posted on this thread.

If you want to be helpful, look in Paulus's well; you know, the one he cemented up shortly after Natalee disappeared.


2,653 posted on 01/10/2006 10:03:24 PM PST by LucyT (Someone needs to search in Paulus's well. Why wouldn't he let law enforcement check it out?)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Who better to explain that kind of pain than Sharon?

I saw part of that show. I noticed Sharon mentioned Beth and her pain.

Also, on Sat. on 'The Lineup' there was a reference made to Natalee's case when they were discussing the George Smith case. Then last night there was another reference to Natalee's case while another case was being discussed.

What struck me about this, is Natalee's case and Aruba's monumental screwup and botching of it have become watchwords in the news media.

It's like when a case has similarities to Natalee and Aruba, the comparison will be made because everyone knows what the reference is.

It needs a verb, such as, "The case was Arubed."

2,654 posted on 01/10/2006 10:03:41 PM PST by shebacal
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To: shebacal

From the link (excerpted):

"More than a dozen people have vanished from cruise ships in the past two years, prompting a Congressional hearing into cruise ship safety last month.

"FBI agent Christopher Swecker said that the agency has investigated 305 serious criminal cases on cruise ships in the past five years. Of those, 10 percent were missing persons and 8 percent of the investigations involved a death on a cruise line."


2,655 posted on 01/10/2006 10:12:49 PM PST by LucyT (Someone needs to search in Paulus's well. Why wouldn't he let law enforcement check it out?)
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To: LucyT
Of those, 10 percent were missing persons and 8 percent of the investigations involved a death on a cruise line."

A couple of years ago, a friend of mine and her husband were not getting along. Then she said they were going to sail on a cruise ship out of Florida for a week.

She is small and he is much bigger and stronger. I advised her not to stand next to her husband at the rail when underway if noone else was around.

2,656 posted on 01/10/2006 10:21:03 PM PST by shebacal
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To: Canadian Outrage

No, it's not him. He is the ops manager of this story, impossible that he is not the posterboy for the arubadirtypolice but it's very interesting that a picture of him is hard to come by.

Who's under the radar, van der straaten, Jacobs and the vds property.


2,657 posted on 01/10/2006 10:54:10 PM PST by deetch (Frank)
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To: deetch
No names are listed here.

www.nleomf.com/PhotoGallery/

National Police Week 2004 Photo Gallery



Aruba police officers/members of the International Police Association together with an Aruban official working at the Dutch Embassy in Washington DC. (Aruba is FAM Region of the IPA-US National Section). It was our first time to send a group of 10 officers. We came to Washington with a NJ police group for the last weekend of activities.

2,658 posted on 01/11/2006 12:07:17 AM PST by shebacal
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To: shebacal

thanks! I'll try to have it confirmed.


2,659 posted on 01/11/2006 12:39:27 AM PST by deetch (Frank)
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To: shebacal

Beth: This is huge, it's much bigger than just Natalee.

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another."

The MPs of the Staten van Aruba – the Aruban Parliament – must have been bewildered when one of their own ministers smeared the good name of their island. Former minister Elio Nicolaas grins when he is reminded of his speech in 1989. (1)

Finally someone had thrown a rock in the silent and complacent waters of the Caribbean tax-haven Aruba – a semi-independent part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

"I had to react," he says. "My own colleague, the Minister of Finance, denied money was laundered on the island." Nicolaas knew better. Prior to his political career he had been a police officer and had actually set up the anti-narcotics squad.

"Aruba's geographical position is a blessing and a curse at the same time," says Eman, alluding to the pleasant climate which attracts thousands of tourists each year, and the unpleasant closeness of the Colombian and Venezuelan northern shores which makes it vulnerable for drug-traffickers.

According to Eman, Aruba is burdened with the problem of other nations: "The drug trade is not Aruba's primary responsibility. The market is in Europe and the United States. It is not our fault they cannot control their borders, that Aruba is used as a transit point."

The US Government is not as dismissive as Mr Eman. Within three years Aruba rose from a 'medium risk' to a 'high risk' country in the State Department's annual International Narcotics Control Strategy Report.

The island is used as a base for bulk transhipment of cocaine to the US and Europe, through its Free Trade Zone. Off-shore corporate banking facilities, the casino/resort complexes, high volume tourism, and a stable currency all make Aruba attractive to money laundering organizations.

Eman considers these reports as too negative and suggests that Aruba is in good company since "the US and Holland rank number one on the list as well."

The US is concerned about credible reports that some members of the Aruban government met regularly with individuals associated with drug trafficking and money laundering syndicates.

In spite of, or perhaps because of, the denials by Aruba officials, the US remains convinced that entrenched money laundering organizations direct large cash deposits into land development and other construction projects on the island. (3)

The Netherlands is equally worried. "I think we are going to loose it on Aruba," Arthur Docters van Leeuwen, the Dutch Attorney General, said about the counter-narcotics efforts on the island. Aruba is in the hands of some powerful families and Holland can't do anything about it, due to constitutional restraints. (4)


2,660 posted on 01/11/2006 1:50:50 AM PST by shebacal
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