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[ In short in the italicized remarks at the top and Pinker's comment, we are here dealing with a fallacy that Whitehead called "the fallacy of misplaced concreteness." I gather it arises because modern science assumes and then asserts that everything there is in the universe is amenable to scientific description and explanation. So in effect, with this expectation, they must shrink the universe to fit their method. ]

Good post in total.. How can a human get his head around infinity.?. If the the universe ends, how can it end?.. And if its infinite, how can that be?.. Infinity is a problem.. a serious problem.. Approaching infinity flippantly is how some approach the concept of God.. They can't get their minds around it.. On the other hand those that can conceive of God as a reality seem to have little problem with the infinity problem..

That is, there are some are frogs in a well that know they are merely a frog in a well, and others are frogs in a well that think the/that well is a model of the universe.. One frog questions formulae spawned in well, yet others see those formulae as axiomatic.. This thread appears to be a conversation between two different kind of frogs.. The Frogulation of Cosmic infinity..

Cosmofrogulators.. Is that a science?.. Just asking..d;^)
I have a problem with concieving of the totality of God.. so I stopped..
The scary part is God would have no problem concieveing of the totality of US.. all of us.. Humans seem to have a problem with proper humility and gratitude.. and arrogance..

...those that can conceive of God as a reality seem to have little problem with the infinity problem..

Well said, hosepipe! I've noticed that, too!

Yet drilling down a bit, I would suggest that "infinity" and "eternity" are not the same things. That is, they are not synonyms. One is a mathematical construct eminently useful in the prosecution of scientific problems. The other deals with the "where we live" (so to speak): consciousness - experience - language.

God is utterly, absolutely "beyond" both spacetime and all categories of human thought. The Greek nous (human reason, mind -- if the word had a capital "N," it would denote divine reason, mind) cannot penetrate the mystery of God. But we can know Him in Spirit. This is our faith, in search of its reason. Indeed, He invites us to take up this search, this quest.

Thank you for your excellent observations, dear hosepipe!

(Good post in total.. How can a human get his head around infinity.?. If the the universe ends, how can it end?.. And if its infinite, how can that be?.. Infinity is a problem.. a serious problem.. Approaching infinity flippantly is how some approach the concept of God.. They can't get their minds around it.. On the other hand those that can conceive of God as a reality seem to have little problem with the infinity problem..)

My ten year old daughter asks me, "Mommy, if space doesn't end, does that mean it's still being created?"
Hmmm?