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What if my daughter grows up to be Republican?
Salon ^ | August 7, 2011 | Sue Sanders

Posted on 08/07/2011 12:25:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

At 12, Lizzie is a liberal like me. But what if one day she embraces the Tea Party, like her grandparents?

My parents are Tea Party. I'm a liberal. My husband is to the left of your average communist. Dinners together walk a tightrope of small talk -- none of us wanting to veer too far in either direction, frightened we'll go careening into a political abyss. Our daughter, Lizzie, is always a safe topic. She's our Switzerland.

But I'm not sure how much longer that will last. Lizzie, at 12, is becoming politically aware.

She's always been well informed. Not that she had much of a choice. After the 2000 election and before her first birthday, she participated in her first protest. I stuffed her in her bright green baby backpack and headed to Times Square. There, she grinned and drooled as tourists in fanny packs and white tennis shoes yelled mean things at a dozen of us who were demanding that votes be counted. They weren't, thanks to the Supreme Court, and George W. Bush was sworn in -- thus assuring that Lizzie's formative years had ample opportunities for protest. Her favorite was the huge antiwar rally in Central Park, when she was 3. There were balloons and face painting -- and the playground near the park was more exciting than the ones back in Brooklyn, N.Y., where we then lived. Riding the train home, she waved her small paper flag like a sword and chanted, "No Twar! No Twar!" Then she yawned and asked for her sippie cup.

I don't want to indoctrinate my child into the cult of my political beliefs. I want her to make up her own mind. But, since she's a kid, she mirrors our beliefs, as her friends do their parents'. If I were a neo-Nazi, a Know Nothing, or a Glenn Beck-watching right-winger, she would probably share my misguided views. But I'm a Prius-driving, composting liberal -- and therefore so is Lizzie. (Except the driving part -- at 12, she doesn't yet. Thankfully.) It's not like we sit her down with Karl Marx flashcards or whisper Howard Zinn to her as she sleeps, but we talk a lot at dinner, discussing politics and what's going on not just in our neighborhood or city, but in the world. (We recently chatted about climate change and chocolate eclairs -- and, because my husband is a historian, she probably knows more about Alger Hiss than any other kid her age.) But how to balance the way we view the world with how other people do? How to show her both sides of the political picture?

Our family dinners are very different from those when I was a kid. Back then, we didn't discuss politics at the dinner table -- or anywhere else. Our household was more of a dictatorship, with my dad's conservative beliefs reigning supreme. There was no room for dissent and none encouraged. When I was in second grade, I made up my own mind about an election. Our teacher gave us each a copy of the Weekly Reader, which still smelled of fresh newsprint. One story was about the '72 election and we got to vote! I'd checked the box next to McGovern's head. It was a nice head, I'd thought. He looked so kind compared to that Nixon fellow. I skipped to our house, no doubt wearing an outfit like a plaid jumper with a bow affixed to my hair, something that would have fit in more in, say, 1964 Omaha rather than 1972 San Francisco, where we lived at the time. I have no way to prove this scientifically, but I'm pretty sure we were the squarest family in San Francisco. While other kids were singing along to the Rolling Stones' "Brown Sugar," we attended an Up With People concert.

Dropping my plastic school satchel on the ground, I proudly pulled out the secret ballot to show my parents. "No one in our house votes Democratic!" my dad scolded. He was joking, of course, but I still felt ashamed, like I'd just admitted I loved macrame plant holders or hippies. How could I have been so wrong? I should have voted for Nixon! My parents later did, and he won. Meanwhile, I slunk off, feeling like I'd committed a crime -- as the man my parents voted for soon would. I have no idea if I crumbled up that Weekly Reader or if my mom eventually stuffed it in the trash. In my mind, I picture myself crumbling it up, my first foray into politics a horrid mistake.

But do my husband and I truly encourage dissent with our daughter? What if Lizzie decides she wants to volunteer for whomever runs on the GOP ticket in 2012? She'll be in eighth grade then. Would I drive her to help with that campaign? I happily drove all over eastern Pennsylvania when she wanted to canvass for Obama. She held pamphlets as we meandered door to door, encouraging registered Democrats to vote. Would I do the same quite as cheerfully if she supported Michele Bachmann or Mitt Romney? I don't think so. But I honestly can't see Lizzie embracing a Republican candidate. For her, politics is all about values, and for now, at least, she values fairness and the environment.

And how to explain "values" and the coded semantics of political language to a kid? During a recent local election, Lizzie and I trawled the voters' guide, which was filled with names and photos of candidates and blurbs about their positions on various issues. One candidate had written she supported "family values." I muttered, "Uh-oh. I'll stay away from her."

"But Mom, aren't family values a good thing? Our family has values," she said, puzzled.

I tried to explain that those "family values" were often quite different from what our family values.

If she someday embraces "family values," the Tea Party or other right-wing agendas, could it damage my relationship with her? Although I try to understand my parents' political beliefs, I don't. When I see what Newsmax "article" or Wall Street Journal editorial my father "likes" on Facebook, or glance at a photo, taken a few years back, of my folks dressed as McCain and Palin for Halloween, I feel physically sick. Sometimes it's hard to even have simple conversations with them. Even the most innocent pleasantry, like "Nice weather," could spiral out of control if I don't watch what I say. (For the record, they are loving grandparents and are far more gracious than I am about not bringing up delicate topics.) If my dad says, "I bet you guys are happy you're not back east this winter. All that snow in New York." I'm tempted to mutter something about climate change, but instead I bite my tongue and say, "Yes, in Portland we don't have to shovel rain."

It sometimes seems my parents and I are as divided as Congress, neither side understanding the other's point of view. But when I'm around them, I'm somehow whisked right back to adolescence. I morph into a sullen 16-year-old with no power, whose views are considered childish. I want to engage, to discuss topics calmly with them, but my emotions knock any possibility of cool-headed debate out of the way. All my facts and statistics -- the cornerstone of rational debate -- get gummed together in my mouth by raw emotion and I only manage to get out incoherent raw ravings. And if history is any indication of the future, I'm doomed to repeat myself.

I wish I could calmly debate issues like my husband does. Or maybe I should take a lesson from Lizzie. The truth is, she can teach me a thing or two about politics. Instead of getting scorched by the heat of the moment, like I do, she's cool and collected. She listens intently. Then a question she asks will sum up the prejudice of the other side quite succinctly. "Why don't Grammy and Grampy want Charlie's moms to get married? That's not fair."

And she's right. It's not.


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Indoctrinating her daughter but we are the dangerous ones...
1 posted on 08/07/2011 12:25:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So she is really asking if her daughter will grow up someday like her grandparents or remain a child all of her life like her “parents”? That’s a tough question.


2 posted on 08/07/2011 12:27:32 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Americans need to wean their government off of its dependence on foreign money.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Sue!
What if one day you grow the **** up!


3 posted on 08/07/2011 12:27:42 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lady, if she grows up to be a Republican then she’s one of the smartes members of your family. It must be tough to be an illiterate parent.


4 posted on 08/07/2011 12:29:01 PM PDT by mardi59 (T)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When I was in second grade, I made up my own mind about an election. Our teacher gave us each a copy of the Weekly Reader, which still smelled of fresh newsprint. One story was about the '72 election and we got to vote! I'd checked the box next to McGovern's head. It was a nice head, I'd thought. He looked so kind compared to that Nixon fellow.

When you find a method that works, I guess you just stick with it.

5 posted on 08/07/2011 12:30:01 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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I don't want to indoctrinate my child into the cult of my political beliefs.

LOL. Yeah sure, as if we believe that.

6 posted on 08/07/2011 12:31:24 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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My folks marched me in anti war parades with a black arm band in San Francisco when I was 1. They volunteered for McGovern, and voted for Carter. Hated Nixon. I grew up wanting to be in the Navy when I was 8. Served 13 years, now I have 5 conservative boys, and my parents hate Obama. Go figure. You can’t manage your kids that much. They’ll usually do the opposite to spit you...


7 posted on 08/07/2011 12:32:54 PM PDT by neodad (Don't Tap, Just Drill!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

ditto.


8 posted on 08/07/2011 12:33:01 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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My husband is to the left of your average communist.

So he doesn't think murdering 100 million innocent people in the last century was enough?

9 posted on 08/07/2011 12:33:01 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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My advice to Sue: Make sure to teach lil’ Sue one of your favorite mantras: Question Authority!

Lil’ Sue just might turn out alright.


10 posted on 08/07/2011 12:34:42 PM PDT by JewishRighter ( Multiculturalism is killing us.)
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Lizzie, at 12, is becoming politically aware. She's always been well informed...

Hey Sue, if that is true, your daughter is ALREADY a Republican.

11 posted on 08/07/2011 12:34:47 PM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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(For the record, they are loving grandparents and are far more gracious than I am about not bringing up delicate topics.)

What a sleazy, hateful trouble making beyotch this woman is. I hope her daughter campaigns for Palin and grows up to be career military.

12 posted on 08/07/2011 12:36:43 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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No Worries Mom!

Just give 12 yr old Lizzie a carton of condoms and lifetime membership to Planned Parenthood.

Send her to public skewl.

Don't let her watch Fox News, EVER!

...then send her away to any east-coast/west-coast college or universtiy.

13 posted on 08/07/2011 12:38:08 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Somebody could reassure the mother by letting her know that it is rarely a conservative that shuts down debates.


14 posted on 08/07/2011 12:38:11 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hopefully her daughter will embrace tea party values...she'll know how to balance her checkbook and not become dependent on government to pay her bills. Isn't that a silly hope.../sarc
15 posted on 08/07/2011 12:41:47 PM PDT by Neverforget01 (It Could Have Been Worse Is Not A Defense For Bad Policy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I took a similar approach with my daughter...except I actually told her the truth and proved it with actual examples in history and current events. I fully understood that she was going to make her own choice eventually and I wanted her to do it based on reality. Of course I wanted her to share my beliefs, but kids do what they do...

Never once in all that time did she ever lean liberal and in fact often questioned the stupidity of liberalism in places I never would have thought to look.

My point? When given the truth, kids and adults alike reject liberalism. In my daughter’s case, it didn’t make her popular with other kids, her school or her parents, but she, on her own, refused to live the lies she was fed.

At 22, she has a great career, is married and has no regrets for the path she chose.


16 posted on 08/07/2011 12:42:30 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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Most kids are pretty socialist when they grow up. Socialism just sounds soooo good and nice. And we all want to be good and nice and help people.

Then they get their first real paycheck and see how much is taken out in taxes. And they really don't see a bit of good coming from all those taxes.

Then the path begins towards conservatism...

17 posted on 08/07/2011 12:42:42 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Frankly, I hope the daughter becomes an orphan.


18 posted on 08/07/2011 12:43:58 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Norm Lenhart

Edit “Their parents”


19 posted on 08/07/2011 12:44:45 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: neodad

My son’s way of rebelling was to move way to the right of me.


20 posted on 08/07/2011 12:46:23 PM PDT by Marie (I agree with everything that Rick Perry is saying. I just wish that *he* did. (NO to Bush II))
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