Skip to comments.Walmart ruining holidays for workers
Posted on 11/13/2011 11:06:23 AM PST by eccentric
Around the country, night workers at Walmart stores are being told to come in five hours early ON Thanksgiving. After having work until 7am that morning, they must get whatever sleep they can and then reutrn to work at 5pm for a 12 hour shift. How much time does this leave for them to spend the holiday with their family?
Walmart wants to call their employees associates. No, they are just workers.
Walmart has great jobs and benefits!!!
You should be on Obama's campaign staff...Do some commercials:
"They economy is great, we have 700 WalMart jobs available, and plan on 5 more supercenters next year"
The real point is NO ONE is forced to work or shop at Walmart. If you are an employee and don’t like the way they treat employees- QUIT. If you are a customer and don’t like how they do business- then don’t shop there. It really is very simple.
I’m already on record as saying the Black Friday and December 26 openings are getting absurdly early. I’m not saying they don’t have the right to run their business that way. They do. It’s still absurd.
Back in my earliest shift days, I rotated day/night. I routinely offered to work New Years Eve night shift, ending my shift at 7AM Jan. 1. Unfortunately, Jan 1 was considered my “day off” and I was always bounced back to day shift Jan. 2. Eventually, I did a gig with straight nights. Then I got out of hospital work.
sorry it didn’t happen asap for your daughter.....work hard....you know....nose to the grind stone ......it’ll pay off....
there is no right to IMMEDIATE success....or even at all.....
Good post. We have overbearing posters here (Narses, Balding Eagle) that think you are a serf who should never speak up here about WalMart being dysfunctional sometimesFalse. In fact we have encouraged the whiners, union promoters and generic liberals to find a different job or a different place to work if they do not like Walmart. And a different place to post if they think that ATTACKING FReepers, telling lies about FReepers or encouraging unions is a good idea.
If you speak up here- Well thats whining and complaining. Meanwhile Narses is complaining as fast as he can type to JimRob and the Admin Moderator. Pot, kettle, black. Nuff saidROTFLMAO! At least this "VANITY" is in the Smokey Back Room now and not out in front, thanks Jim!
Then it's time to quit bitching. If what you say is true, then there is much to be happy about by having a job.
And quit making life miserable for those around.
Were you the one who volunteered to test for red ant repellants too?
Somehow, I believe you when you point out that you dont understand the meaning of take as it was presented.
///////She has since found a good job but it was very discouraging for her-she has had good jobs for many years./////////
so she did succeed......you didn’t tell me that part prior to critiquing me......
>>Walmart has great jobs and benefits!!! <<
I’m sorry but I’m not seeing your point.
Before I had an education, I worked retail. I had a great job that was suited to my ability.
If one has no education why would that person deserves a job the same as someone who does?
Everyone like China Mart, or you’ll be banned!
Ya got to love it!
Does she start her sentences with “Uuum” too?
Not if the GOP congress defund the NLRB or reduces their power....
Also there are the courts to decide ultimately what power the NRLB really have....
Dad was a foreman on the AC Expressway.If we got even a few flakes, a state troopers would be calling my dad into work.
One year he went in on Christmas Eve afternoon, and he didn't get home until 7PM the next evening. He called us and insisted that we open our gifts. We waited.
Thanks for the illogical
Regarding overtime; Federal Department of labor laws mandate the Federal minimum wage and overtime rules. Overtime for non-exempt hourly workers does not kick in until after working 40 hours within a single work week and there is no DOL mandated overtime for working more than 8 hours in a day or for working Saturdays, Sundays or holidays. Some states have higher minimum wages and more generous OT rules and whichever is higher and more generous is the one that has to be followed in that State. Some companies pay hour workers shift, weekend or holiday differentials but again, that is up to the employers policy and not required by law. Wal-Mart pays OT when workers work over 40 hours in a week, they have to. But many employers do the same thing regarding work schedulingb to keep workers from going into an OT situation. Wal-Mart is not unique in this.
Two years ago I worked at Target during the Christmas season. Target opened at 5:00AM on Black Friday and I worked an 8 hour shift and 8 hour shifts that Saturday and Sunday. Working that weekend was not optional. It was all hands on deck, everybody worked. I was however surprised and very pleased when I got my paycheck that I received an additional 25 cent per hour for working on Black Friday but that was at Targets sole discretion. The managers also provided breakfast, lunch and dinner food for all the workers working that weekend, not that I expected it but I thought it was a nice way to let us know we were appreciated. I worked my but off at Target but I have to say they were a good company to work for when I was there.
Last year I worked at We Be Toys. Again, working the Black Friday weekend was not optional. They opened at midnight on Black Friday and I worked an 8 hour shift and was back in a 3:00PM on Saturday afternoon till 10:00 PM and back on Sunday morning at 7:00AM till 3:30PM. I received no extra pay for working the holiday weekend. At the time I was working a fulltime job and many days during the holiday season, left my day job after working 8 hours and worked a 6 hour shift until midnight at the retail job, getting up the next morning to be back at work at 8:00AM at the fulltime job and back again at We Be Toys for my evening shift till midnight. I also worked Christmas Eve. I wasnt scheduled to work but traded with a co-worker who had young children. I was happy to do that for her and also for the extra money. The reason I worked the second job at the time was because I needed the money and I was happy to have the opportunity to earn it.
Years ago I worked in grocery retail. I worked all sorts of crazy shifts sometimes closing the store at 11:00PM as assistant manager on duty and returning at 5:00AM the next morning to open the store or working overnight shifts for stocking. And many more years before that I worked for a convenience store as a manager that was open 7-days a week, 365 days a year and I worked many Thanksgiving and Christmas and New Years days. I was salaried and typically worked 60 or more hours a week and never got OT. It came with the territory.
I rarely if ever got OT in any of those retail jobs because I rarely work more than 40 hours in a week.
I have an exempt salaried position now in PR and HR and I dont get any OT for working over 40 hours or for bringing work home with me during busy times like open enrollment season and fiscal and calendar year ends.
>There are lots of people who need the job.
That's what people who lived through the '29 Depression said they were told. We've come a long way. (cough)
First, I am happy about having a job.
And quit making life miserable for those around. /
Second, I have never complained to the people I work with. I have never said they were full of crap and spoken down to them as you have sone here. You seem to be an angry older person who feels the need to impose his opinions on others. You DO NOT have the right to tell someone else to go find another job no matter the circumstances (you do not know me). That is lack of tact and manners.
You also seem to be someone who has the need to have the alst word so go ahead and prove me right. You have your opinion of me and that is your right, but you aired it in public the same way you accused me of doing. So, I will let you have the final word. I wouldn’t want to be accused of being a complainer.
Actually, there are many places of business that are open on Saturday. Also, there ARE employers who are willing to work with you on this issue, especially if you are a valuable employee.
My overall consideration in the previous posts was the celebration of Thanksgiving...a national day of prayer. Perhaps I did not make that very clear.
My use of past history was that of an example of how we, as a nation, have lost something important. Our God became things.....instead of the Giver of all things.
Yes it is simple. When the management of retail stores put their profit ahead of American and Christian tradition, and ahead of their employees’ desire to be with family on Christmas and Thanksgiving, we as consumers need to let them know we don’t like it.
These are the same creeps who call Chrismas Trees “Holiday trees”. These are the same creeps who disrespect our Christian holidays but want to make a profit from them. It stinks.
It’s not like long-time WalMart employees knew when they signed on that they would have to work Thanksgiving. This is something brand new, thought up by pinhead MBAs to squeeze another dime out of the consumer by taking advantage of a Christian holiday. The employees are stuck but we consumers are not.
I will not support it. I hope all those who hold family values and American tradition dear will do the same.
Thread hijacking again are you? I thought this thread was about employees having to work over the holiday?
Clown, what other jobs? Maybe you have it made due to your own righteous efforts. Fantastic! Now how about the others who may not be a smart and brilliant as you? The economy and job markets sucks for them but you are too busy complaining about them making these very simple, truthful observations. About reality.
Guess what happens when the jobs market sucks. People start thinking that mo' Obama style Gov't will bail them out. You want everyone to be a kiss-butt serf for you? Fine, but the serfs and wage slaves and welfare addicts just might outvote you and vote in commie/socialist politicians and guess what they do, genius. They jack up your taxes...through the roof. Then you and me and all freepers lose
If the job market sucks, quit bitching about your job and be happy you have one.
For a long time I was hog farmer, which is a 365 days a year job, so Thanksgiving meant getting up a couple hours early so I could join in the festivities. AFTER showering and cleaning up to get most of the hog smell off, something most people here have no idea about.
Christmas was the same, had to work Christmas. Same for New Years, 4th of July, Labor Day, whatever.
I have NO patience with people endlessly bitching about their jobs, those who do are fools, those who put up with it are enablers and shouldn't.
>>Three years later, there is not ONE employee I recognize from the night or day shifts still working. <<
Did you ever think it’s the management, not the corporation?
Cause let me tell you, at my Walmart, I NEVER see the faces change. They know me, I know them.
People are begging to work at ours.
Companies like Wal-mart use software that keeps track of hours, to minimize the chance somebody will get overtime pay, but still comply with the labour laws. So, unless it is an unusual situation, the chances of getting overtime pay is between slim and none.
As far as writing up employees for not clocking out at exactly the end of their shift and getting a few minutes overtime, I’m sure Wal-mart or somebody lost a big case to the labour board and it cost the company big bucks.
I worked in the West Knoxville store, and this is exactly how they did it there in 2000. Things may have changed since then, but I ended up walking away from it for greener pastures and never looked back.
That’s my point.
By being open Sunday, I can trade shifts with somebody who wants Sunday off. They can have their Sunday and I can have my Saturday.
If Sunday laws ever came into enforcement, I could no longer trade shifts and the employer would unlikely give me any consideration for my situation, because he’s already giving everybody a day off.
It would really be forcing me into a situation of either eating or not eating.
>>You seem to be an angry older person<<
That is called a long time FReeper. One who has been around the block here and seen a whole lot.
You’re new. You joined in March. Here is a bit of a hint, what you say is open to debate. It’s not imposing opinion, by putting it up in a forum you are asking for people’s opinion. They are giving it to you.
Now, you seem to think that by posting how hard you work, you’ll be getting cheers. Honestly, it looks like you don’t care for your job and want them to change. Conservatives change ourselves.
I mentioned nada about any mandate. ;-)
Of course I did. At that store they changed managers every year - and nothing changed. I talked with a couple of transferees who said the hours/OT policy was the same at any store they worked at and that, where there were other employment opportunities, even at the same wage, turnover was just as great.
Perhaps you live in an area so economically depressed that people HAVE to stay there.
For those naive people who blithely say "Go ahead an quit, there's plenty of people waiting for your job", I will tell you that during the Depression of '29 and well into the '30s, that was a common retort whenever the workers complained of unsafe working conditions or another cut in pay. That day is not far off for them.
[sidebar I] One 1930s-era worker told me he could pinpoint when the Depression ended. It was in September 1939 when his supervisor told him to do something and he said "please". (Industry was ramping up for WWII and the job market tightened.)
[sidebar II] I used to be a programmer and talked with a lot of Indian H1Bs. Those that worked at the Benton, AR headquarters got all walleyed when they talked about that "veddy bad place". Programmers, instead of having cubicles, were lined up at a conference-length table cheek-by-jowl and monitored by cameras. If you went to the bathroom "too often" (as determined by management), you were terminated.
One Anglo who worked there said he was leaving there at 5 p.m. when some foul-mouthed female manager asked him where the F did he think he was going and to get the F back to work. He told her he was a contractor and she could go to Hell. For some odd reason, he wasn't fired.
W-M might be great for low prices on cheap Chinese goods (debatable) but they sure treat their employees like crap, despite the "you're not an employee, you're an associate" B/S. My stories as a night stocker would match those of mardi59.
IOW all your posts on this thread are exercises in self-justification and not useful lessons for others. You ate shyte so others must do the same. I met loads of dufuses like you. One note Johnnies.
Hooray for you and your life! You are the star and the hero in the movie you made about it.
Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I spent an entire Thanksgiving day verifying signatures on an election referendum petition with a tight deadline. Wasn’t fun. I lived, as will they.
THAT'S what you came way with?
I would have thought my pounding the 'You should quit the job you're complaining about' drum over and over and over would have gotten through.
Let me hit it one more time; QUIT THAT JOB YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT AND APPLY FOR ONE YOU LIKE.
Your post is whining and complaining the same way Narses was whining and complaining about other posters.
I know you did and I thank you. :)
Couldn’t you get the non-believers, jews, etc.. to work Christmas? I seem to be able to find some quicky mart open on Christmas run by Indians. Hell, in Christmas story they went to a chinese restaurant because they were the only place open and the neighbor dogs ate their turkey.
I like Walmart.
But, in a general sense, isn’t opening on Thanksgiving night a little silly? Do we really need to get up from a decent family day to go shopping?
I guess I answered my own question—there are fewer families anyway.
“Nobody on their deathbed ever says, I wish I put more hours in at the office. “
I wonder how many wish they’d provided better for their families?
“Clown, what other jobs?”
Then you concede that Walmart is the BEST job you can find right now? Be glad you have a decent job then and stop whining.
The group of top end restaurants in Tucson are all open on Thanksgiving, including my favorite Old Pueblo Grill, I plan to tip well. Lots of people work on holidays, and not all of them are emergency personnel, if you don’t like it get a better job.
Jerks post about other people without courtesy.
Don’t feed the paleo trolls.
I just don’t see the problem. If someone doesn’t like their requirements for their job...quit. If you feel you can’t quit, then get a better attitude. Slavery was abolished years ago.
That is true, but work is work and as i said,in this day and age, there aren’t too many places to look for new jobs!
No one is compelled to work twelve hours seven days a week.
>>Perhaps you live in an area so economically depressed that people HAVE to stay there. <<
Nope, sure don’t. Look up Shelby Township, Sterling Heights or Rochester, MI.
>>W-M might be great for low prices on cheap Chinese goods (debatable) but they sure treat their employees like crap, despite the “you’re not an employee, you’re an associate” B/S. My stories as a night stocker would match those of mardi59.<<
Sorry, my niece worked there for 5 years while in college. She loved it and her Walmart was in Ohio.
Not that I don’t believe you, I just know too many people who LOVE working there. I also know people who say that those who don’t really want to be a team player, don’t make it there. If one does not want to do anything out of the ordinary or “it’s not my job” comes out of a mouth, that is not a person who will be happy at Walmart.
Maybe that’s you and Mardi59.
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