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Ryan is a good man, but does not redeem the abortionist/homosexualist statist Romney
Aug 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: sf4dubya; jimrob

Yes...this is what matter so much!

“Romney/Ryan intend to cut Federal Regulations, cut Corporate and individual taxes, eliminate unnecessary and burdensome federal waste and programs (like ObamaCare), cut Federal Spending and Programs, reform necessary programs, embolden and allow private industry to rebuild the Free Market, stop using the Federal Government to abjectly interfere with and infrinfge on Institutions, Businesses amd individual’s Free Speech and Religious convictions, established a blanced budget, put in place a plan to eliminate America’s shameful and massive 16 trillion dollar debt, get out of the government ownership of large segments or corporations within the free market, support the Defense of Marriage Act, nominate strict constitutionalists to the bench in general and the Supreme Court in particular....”


5,061 posted on 08/18/2012 8:16:24 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

Reagan was very remorseful publicly about that bill, he explained that many times.
Romney has always been a public supporter of abortion, he now says he has always been pro-life.
There is nothing in his record or public statements that talk about a heart change on the subject.
He still praises his health care bill which he insisted provide free to low cost abortions.
He has never said, “I had a change of heart”, what he does say say is “I have always been pro-life”.
The man is a liar, it is that simple.


5,062 posted on 08/18/2012 8:17:11 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Hauling my ill prepared self outta the Grand Canyon around 3 AM one morning in June ‘96; I too was singing His praises!


5,063 posted on 08/18/2012 8:21:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
Point is that people change...Henry Hyde certainly did!

Romney has been a MORMON all of his life.

5,064 posted on 08/18/2012 8:24:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sf4dubya; Jim Robinson; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; ...
I certainly did not post those posts filled with anti-Mormon, Christian identity issue tripe

I'm getting sick of your "Christian Identity" crap and your hostility towards Christians in general.

Jim, this kind of name-calling is identical to the previous name-calling that got a few posters banned.

From the ADL website, THIS is what sf4 is accusing FReepers of.

"Extremism in America from the "Anti-Defamation League"

Christian Identity is a religious ideology popular in extreme right-wing circles. Adherents believe that whites of European descent can be traced back to the "Lost Tribes of Israel." Mu Despite its small size, Christian Identity influences virtually all white supremacist and extreme anti-government movements. It has also informed criminal behavior ranging from hate crimes to acts of terrorism.

What is the difference between using the "nazi" terms and this?

5,065 posted on 08/18/2012 8:25:23 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tell the 52,000 mormon missionaries to stop going worldwide proclaiming Christianity to be false.)
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To: colorcountry
I am a rabid believer that doctors are absolutely the worst thing for your health.

Ah HA!!!

You are a secret OBAMA admirer!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2920042/posts

5,066 posted on 08/18/2012 8:26:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

What I find interesting is that this particular person demands this thread be moved from one category to another and it is done.
Now they are demanding that it be moved to another, because they highjacked it and turned it into their personal anti-Christian rants.
They demand every few posts that it be locked because they find it offensive.
The anti-Christian rants are disgusting, and yet it appears that it will continue unabated, the question is why is it allowed?
They lie about what posters have written with immunity, why?
One has to wonder why a person who claims they beleive in the stated goals of FR, would want to squelch free speech and religious discussions or why they are even here.
Personally, I think this person is a retreaded poster.
The cadence and subject matters are very familiar.


5,067 posted on 08/18/2012 8:35:15 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: roylene

...”There is nothing in his record or public statements that talk about a heart change on the subject”....that is BS and any honest debater knows it. And Romney, from all the clips that I have seen, was indeed feeling that it was against his moral beliefs to commit abortion, but that that should not be imposed on women..leave it to them to decide. Of course that is very weak and wrong, and he has expressed regret over it. You guys are slandering his history and shame on you!Again, he was not my first choice, but I am not a dumb reactionary throwing the baby out with the bath water like you guys! Good grief.


5,068 posted on 08/18/2012 8:38:49 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Elsie

///////// We are on the same page on this one! //////////

so....now that we know we’re on the same team....lol let revisit voting for romney....

Romney is not asking us to take the “mark”....if he were....i’d be with you.....

i believe God gave us a brain in life and in battle.....and this is a battle. To vote 3rd party hands our country to the MUCH worse of 2 evils. if we elect Romney we salvage the basic moral principles of our country and LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY....

i just don’t see how it serves our God to advance the evil that Obama is....

one last analogy....My son served in Iraq twice, fighting under and along side non believers.....should he have sat down and refused to fight because they were not Christians???


5,069 posted on 08/18/2012 8:39:06 AM PDT by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: cripplecreek
"... his flaws to find his imperfections"

A difference without distinction.

5,070 posted on 08/18/2012 8:45:26 AM PDT by yoe (Vote for your Country, not a political party. or personal issues.)
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To: fabian

How about this provide a source for what you claim, I have dozens of sources to back up my claim.


5,071 posted on 08/18/2012 8:52:23 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: fabian
feeling that it was against his moral beliefs to commit abortion, but that that should not be imposed on women..leave it to them to decide.

That sweetie is what all most all pro-choice people say. This is NOT pro-life.

5,072 posted on 08/18/2012 8:54:21 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: roylene

I know that...point is that many here are calling him an abortionist and that is not true. He simply was too weak to “impose” his morals on law. Abortionists promote, like, make money and don’t see wrong in abortion. They are extreme leftists too.


5,073 posted on 08/18/2012 8:57:11 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

Of course he did not kill the babies directly, he has promoted the killing however by his actions.
If you know that Romney is pro-choice by his own words, why are you insisting he be called pro-life? Or are you acknowledging he is pro-choice and that maybe one of your issues, but not a deal breaker.


5,074 posted on 08/18/2012 9:02:37 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: Kevmo
***So the soonest we can get a conservative POTUS with your plan is 2020, after 8 years of RomneyRule. If Romnuts loses, we could have a conservative as POTUS in 2016. No matter who wins this next election, conservatism loses.

2016 will be too late to eliminate obamacare.

We have been pushing for a conservative since Reagan and it hasn't happened.

I think the greater conservative presence in the legislature will off set the moderates as well as having a solid conservative VP. I was not a Romney backer, but compared to a radical socialist I'll take him.

5,075 posted on 08/18/2012 9:03:24 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: roylene

He had a conversion and consulted with doctors about it all in 2005. I happen to believe the man as he sounds sincere to me. I guess you do not and I think that is quite unchristian of you.


5,076 posted on 08/18/2012 9:05:59 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Kevmo

The people are bolts.
We can be airgun torqued or handgun torqued, either way we are torqued.


5,078 posted on 08/18/2012 9:07:16 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: BlackElk; Jim Robinson; Finny; EternalVigilance; Dr. Sivana; GailA; RitaOK; Windflier; Diogenes
Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? That Amelia Earhart and Judge Crater are alive and well and awaiting their rescuers?

This is the quality of debate, try to mock the intelligence of someone with a different view?

You've run through a list of things that Romney says he will do and then ask if I believe he will do them. The answer is YES!

Romney will sign the repeal of obamacare because he has to. If he doesn't his presidency will be over before it begins. Also, I do believe that Romney will seek to replace it with market driven solutions, that's what the Ryan pick is all about.

We have a choice between a northeast moderate and a radical socialist. I was pulling for Perry, but that didn't work out. I'll vote for the moderate with the conservative VP. If we don't end obamacare now by 2016 it will be to late.

Let me give you one thing to chew on. Conservatives haven't had a conservative POTUS since Reagan. The primary system is stacked against conservatives and until that's reformed the odds are stacked against us. If Ryan is VP we have a good shot down the road.

5,080 posted on 08/18/2012 9:18:47 AM PDT by wmfights
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