Posted on 11/06/2002 5:34:44 AM PST by logic101.net
TIME FOR AN END TO THE CONSERVATIVE INFIGHTING MARK A SITY 11/6/02
When WI taxpayers burden skyrockets, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Milwaukee and the surrounding area are saddled with a light rail system few want, and no one will ride, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When caps on property taxes are removed, and property taxes skyrocket, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When welfare reform is de-reformed in WI, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When public schools in WI get even worse, and the public school teachers get huge raises, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When WI residents find their rights to defend themselves against criminals who break into their homes weakened, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When companies leave WI, or decide not to set up shop here due to our repressive tax structure, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Gov Jim "bingo" Doyle rewards his contributors, at the expense of the taxpayers (as he has a history of doing), we have Ed Thompson to thank.
Who is Ed Thompson? Ed is the brother of Tommy, our former governor; the current HHS Secretary. Ed was the Libertarian candidate for governor in WI. Ed gave the Governor's Mansion to Bingo Jim by getting 10% of the vote. Governor McCallum lost the election by only 3%. Thanks Ed.
IL can say much the same for Cal Skinner. I don't know how much of the vote Cal got, but it is likely that Jim Ryan would have won there rather than the Democrat were it not for Cal. One good thing for WI residents over IL residents; at least we can pronounce and spell Bingo Jim's name. I won't even try either for the IL Governor Elect!
Let's keep in mind that Libertarians and Republicans are generally going in the same direction. True, the Republicans don't want to go as far as Libertarians, and there are some very contrary views. However, both generally want a smaller federal government that is less intrusive. Democrats on the other hand want bigger and bigger government. They want hand outs. They want dependency. They want Socialism rather than freedom! They want gun control rather than criminal control. They want ignorant sheeple rather than an informed, educated self-dependent population. I prefer much of the Libertarian agenda to that of the Republicans, but I find the Democrat agenda totally repulsive. Libertarians often hand elections to the Democrats, by taking away conservative leaning votes. When a Libertarian candidate's message resonates with the public; Democrats win! A Democratic win doesn't help Republicans, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists! It sets back all of our causes. It is well past time for Libertarians and Republicans to get together to defeat the common enemy. We can work out our differences later; let's get rid of the common threat first! As far as my views; neither Libertarians nor Republicans go far enough; I am a Constitutionalist! Yet, I generally vote Republican; I'm a realist. When we break the stranglehold of the left, then we can fight each other; but let's fight each other on our terms, not theirs!
Now, as far as Ed Thompson goes; well I have to steal a line from one of my favorite movies (They Call Me Trinity). I'm not mad at Ed, I'm mad at his ma. She should have strangled him, or at least drown him when he was born.
MARK A SITY http://www.logic101.net/
You didn't read it carefully. Therefore you didn't understand it. You are a total waste of keystrokes.
Really?
No Roscoe it isn't.
Which is why Libertarianism isn't viable. TANSTAAFL
Now that you told me what is isn't, can you define what it is?
"Prescription is the most solid of all titles, not only to property, but, which is to secure that property, to government. They harmonise with each other, and give mutual aid to one another. It is accompanied with another ground of authority in the constitution of the human mind-- presumption. It is a presumption in favour of any settled scheme of government against any untried project, that a nation has long existed and flourished under it. It is a better presumption even of the choice of a nation, far better than any sudden and temporary arrangement by actual election. Because a nation is not an idea only of local extent, and individual momentary aggregation, but it is an idea of continuity, which extends in time as well as in numbers and in space. And this is a choice not of one day, or one set of people, not a tumultuary and giddy choice; it is a deliberate election of ages and of generations; it is a Constitution made by what is ten thousand times better than choice--it is made by the peculiar circumstances, occasions, tempers, dispositions, and moral, civil, and social habitudes of the people, which disclose themselves only in a long space of time." -- Edmund Burke"It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance. By an universal law, indeed, whatever, whether fixed or movable, belongs to all men equally and in common, is the property for the moment of him who occupies it, but when he relinquishes the occupation, the property goes with it. Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society." --Thomas Jefferson
The laws, regulations and societal traditions we have built over the centuries have served to protect and preserve our freedoms. Libertarian reductionism and fanaticism has not.
* means NRA endorsment. Grade is the NRA grade. Wisconsin:(D) Doyle 800,958 F
*(R) McCallum 732,781 A
(L) Thompson 185,085
It looks to me like 732K voters wanted stricter enforcement of existing gun-control laws and 185K voters wanted to repeal gun-control laws.
So they helped elect a Democrat with an F rating from the NRA?
Ueful idiots.
A peek into the heart of zealotry.
False.
Libertarians oppose the Welfare State which forces all of society to finance slovenly behavior. However, Republicans and Democrats have been increasing funding for all manner of socialist welfare programs for decades.
If the Libertarian ideologues want to claim that those who engage in evil will or should alone pay for the consequences of their evil deeds, try telling that to a child born with AIDS or to a transfusion patient...
How do you suggest we put an end to this?
...or to a child who got stuck with a dirty needle while playing in a park.
A government park? How come no one ever gets stuck with needles at Disneyland? How come dirty needles in government parks is a relatively recent phenomenon?
Try telling the children living in broken homes with broken hearts that there are no consequences to other's sins.
Should the state raise children? Do you agree with Hillary Clinton that "It Takes a Village?"
I voted a straight Libertarian ticket on Tuesday. In races with no Libertarian candidate I cast no vote.
They are the tragedy of the commons.
How did Libertarians "help" the Democrat win. Let's see the evidence that Libertarians would have voted Republican with no Libertarian in the race.
Again?
* means NRA endorsment. Grade is the NRA grade.It looks to me like 732K voters wanted stricter enforcement of existing gun-control laws and 185K voters wanted to repeal gun-control laws.Wisconsin:
(D) Doyle 800,958 F
*(R) McCallum 732,781 A
(L) Thompson 185,085
So they helped elect a Democrat with an F rating from the NRA?
Useful idiots.
The consequences your referring to are just a step on the road to the consequences.
Once again:
Republicans/Democrats want limited freedoms to avoid consequences.
I submit Jesus Christ the Almighty gave us moral liberalism itself, when He gave us his greatest gift of all, that of free will. Your idealogy has not allowed a true free society on this planet. Cause and affect will weed the bad seed. Even God allows this in the end of the 1000 yrs.
Impying only the "commons' would be affected by freedom. Do you really believe the elite will not aquire aids, get shot in a robbery, have his/her property stolen, get raped, taken into slavery, in a free society?
I would think the elite would be the first pickings.
Libertarians rage and rave against the nanny state, but they themselves are directly responsible for its ascendance.
How are Libertarians directly responsible for the nanny state?
2. What evidence do you have that Libertarians would have voted Republican with no Libertarian in the race?
Your own assertion.
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