LIBERTARIANS; THE SOCIALIST'S BEST FRIEND

THE LOGICAL VIEW ^ | 11/06/02 | MARK A SITY

[logic101.net]

TIME FOR AN END TO THE CONSERVATIVE INFIGHTING MARK A SITY 11/6/02

When WI taxpayers burden skyrockets, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Milwaukee and the surrounding area are saddled with a light rail system few want, and no one will ride, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When caps on property taxes are removed, and property taxes skyrocket, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When welfare reform is de-reformed in WI, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When public schools in WI get even worse, and the public school teachers get huge raises, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When WI residents find their rights to defend themselves against criminals who break into their homes weakened, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When companies leave WI, or decide not to set up shop here due to our repressive tax structure, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Gov Jim "bingo" Doyle rewards his contributors, at the expense of the taxpayers (as he has a history of doing), we have Ed Thompson to thank.

Who is Ed Thompson? Ed is the brother of Tommy, our former governor; the current HHS Secretary. Ed was the Libertarian candidate for governor in WI. Ed gave the Governor's Mansion to Bingo Jim by getting 10% of the vote. Governor McCallum lost the election by only 3%. Thanks Ed.

IL can say much the same for Cal Skinner. I don't know how much of the vote Cal got, but it is likely that Jim Ryan would have won there rather than the Democrat were it not for Cal. One good thing for WI residents over IL residents; at least we can pronounce and spell Bingo Jim's name. I won't even try either for the IL Governor Elect!

Let's keep in mind that Libertarians and Republicans are generally going in the same direction. True, the Republicans don't want to go as far as Libertarians, and there are some very contrary views. However, both generally want a smaller federal government that is less intrusive. Democrats on the other hand want bigger and bigger government. They want hand outs. They want dependency. They want Socialism rather than freedom! They want gun control rather than criminal control. They want ignorant sheeple rather than an informed, educated self-dependent population. I prefer much of the Libertarian agenda to that of the Republicans, but I find the Democrat agenda totally repulsive. Libertarians often hand elections to the Democrats, by taking away conservative leaning votes. When a Libertarian candidate's message resonates with the public; Democrats win! A Democratic win doesn't help Republicans, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists! It sets back all of our causes. It is well past time for Libertarians and Republicans to get together to defeat the common enemy. We can work out our differences later; let's get rid of the common threat first! As far as my views; neither Libertarians nor Republicans go far enough; I am a Constitutionalist! Yet, I generally vote Republican; I'm a realist. When we break the stranglehold of the left, then we can fight each other; but let's fight each other on our terms, not theirs!

Now, as far as Ed Thompson goes; well I have to steal a line from one of my favorite movies (They Call Me Trinity). I'm not mad at Ed, I'm mad at his ma. She should have strangled him, or at least drown him when he was born.

MARK A SITY http://www.logic101.net/

[Alan Chapman]

NRA ratings are meaningless. Like Republicans, the NRA is no friend of the gun-owner. Like Republicans, the NRA is a group of compromisers and sellouts. Like Republicans, the NRA supports stricter enforcement of the 20,000+ gun-control laws on the books (but not the repeal of any gun-control).

Anyone who supports stricter enforcement of gun-control deserves an F.

[Roscoe]

Impying only the "commons' would be affected by freedom.

Astounding ignorance.

[Roscoe]

NRA ratings are meaningless.

Libertarianism is meaningless.

[Alan Chapman]

Exactly how many of Thompson's 185,085 votes was McCallum entitled to?

[Roscoe]

The NRA has been the leading opponent of the gun-control lobby. The Libertarians have been the useful idiots of the gun-control lobby.

[Alan Chapman]

The NRA has been the leading opponent of the gun-control lobby.

Uh huh. And the Republican party is the party of smaller government. That's why both organizations support sctricter enforcement of the 20,000+ gun-control laws across the country (but not the repeal of any gun-control).

[Roscoe]

(D) Doyle 800,958 F

Congratulations.

[Alan Chapman]

Exactly how many of Thompson's 185,085 votes was McCallum entitled to?

[Cultural Jihad]

... Jesus Christ the Almighty gave us moral liberalism itself, when He gave us his greatest gift of all, that of free will.

Of course, it would be ludicrous for anyone to assert that laws rob people of their free will choices, essentially making zombies out of them. It is ludicrous to claim that free will can be thwarted by laws, or that only perverts and criminals should enjoy free will while normal people should have no free will to decide what kind of a society they are to live in, or what actions should be tolerated or not tolerated.

"Laws rob would-be bank robbers of their free will choice of whether to rob or not!"
- Ima Phool, spokesperthing of the Libertarian Party

[Alan Chapman]

The laws, regulations and societal traditions we have built over the centuries have served to protect and preserve our freedoms.

Like the freedom to swim in government swimming pools?

"Different rights have different sources. The right to swim in a public pool comes from society." - Roscoe (link)

[Alan Chapman]

It is ludicrous to claim that...only perverts and criminals should enjoy free will while normal people should have no free will to decide what kind of a society they are to live in...

If society wants to bring back Jim Crow they should be allowed to do so?

I'm still waiting for your answers to my questions in post #529.

[Cultural Jihad]

If society wants to bring back Jim Crow they should be allowed to do so?

Using the ludicrous assertion that since God gave people free will and therefore any kind of evil must be tolerated by people, the proponents of humanist libertarianism would say "yes."

[Ragin1]

The "laws" you refer to, were of course created in a society, that is not only socialist, it is fascism lite. Create laws in a society based on the freedom God gives us, and only man takes away, then we can have a real discussion. Anything else is theory.

Note:
Your cute little picture and conjecture is not the result of freedom, but of course one of the many events a society would go through to obtain it. The idea is a society that would choose not to rob the bank.

[Ragin1]

"Astounding ignorance."

Biased arrogance.

[Alan Chapman]

Using the ludicrous assertion that since God gave people free will and therefore any kind of evil must be tolerated...

Who asserted that any kind of evil must be tolerated? It looks like you're trying to float a Straw Man.

BTW, I'm still waiting for your answers to my questions in post #529.

[Cultural Jihad]

"Banned in Boston" was not the name of a pre-MTV melodious troope. You are free to claim that the Founders were libertarian ideologues, but doing so would open you up to charges of historical revisionism.

[Kevin Curry]

You have free will. You are free to disobey any law you wish.

[Cultural Jihad]

BTW, I'm still waiting for your answers ...

Don't turn yourself blue holding your breath waiting. ;) Seriously, I will try to address your questions later tonight, Mr. C.

[Alan Chapman]

CJ logic: Bank robbery is evil. But, using the force of government to plunder one another is right and just.

The irony is astounding.

[Kevin Curry]

You are free to disobey any law you wish.

You probably do. Frequently.