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Why men should be able to sue women who lie about who's the daddy
JWR ^ | Nov. 27 , 2002 / 22 Kislev, 5763 | Dan Abrams

Posted on 11/29/2002 7:08:00 AM PST by Balto_Boy

On Friday, Nebraska's highest court ruled that a man whose ex-wife may have lied to him about being the father of their child cannot sue the woman for fraud and emotional distress. Why not?

IN ANY other realm of the law this would be a classic case of fraud. Robert Day had already been divorced from his wife for six years when he realized he was out of town when she conceived. A DNA test proved with 100 percent certainty that Adam wasn't his. Well Robert Day alleged that mom lied about her due date to fool him.

He had paid child support, medical expenses and even half of his wife's employment-related daycare costs after their divorce. She's since remarried. The court cited a number of psychological studies about the importance of parents bonding with children and held "In effect Robert is saying he's not my son. I want my money back" and that the lawsuit "Has the effect of saying I wish you'd never been born to a child."

No, it says "You lied to me, I want my money back," and the lawsuit has the effect of saying "I wish you hadn't lied and now hope you'll go after the real father for the money you snookered me from me." Look, these cases are difficult and different. If the result would be that the child would suddenly go hungry or lose his home, those special circumstances should matter, but that should be the exception.

The court's opinion focuses solely on public policy. How is it good public policy to encourage a philandering woman to lie? Why shouldn't she at least have to seek out the real father to make him pay?


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To: Morrigan
Well, which is it? Are you a man or a feminazi?
141 posted on 11/29/2002 11:55:19 AM PST by babygene
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To: FITZ
the government only promotes fraud and irresponsibility when it forces one group to provide for another group with the second group not to be held accountable in any way.

This is why people are left with only the option to go along or opt-out altogether.

I can forsee a society where women are left with nothing but the dregs of society availble for marriage someday. Men with something to lose are not going to put their future's at risk under these conditions if they continue along their present path.

If you look at that disgusting "The Bachelor" show, you can see that women are already desparate for a decent man to marry. Men need to make these conditions even worse for them if they are to regain control of their futures, and can marry and father children without the threat of indentured servitude at the whim of an angry spouse.

142 posted on 11/29/2002 12:01:00 PM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: BuddhaBoy
The case is:

LINDA R. S. v. RICHARD D., 410 U.S. 614 (1973) 410 U.S. 614,

and it overturned the laws of Texas and all of the other states, which at that time followed the common law that bastards are not entitled to child support.

143 posted on 11/29/2002 12:03:28 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Crusader21stCentury
Social agendas are un-constitutional.

The Constitution IS a social agenda.

144 posted on 11/29/2002 12:04:01 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Morrigan
Putting your children ahead of your spouse is a recipe for a bad marriage. Proceed at your risk.
145 posted on 11/29/2002 12:08:33 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: Morrigan
Yes, the lives of my children are more important to me than a grown man's life.

That's kind of a strange thing to say. The woman in this case had an option right from the start ---she could have been honest and told the husband she was sleeping around and that the baby probably wasn't his. It seems to me the entire responsibility for the problems her child faces are completely her own.

146 posted on 11/29/2002 12:11:48 PM PST by FITZ
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To: RGSpincich
The lack of emotional and financial attachment will help set a non-father free

Not in ohio if your married and your wife has a child thats not yours while you still being married to her the courts sees that child as yours hands down DNA test or not ive seen guys fight it and go to jail over child support of children who are not theirs.

147 posted on 11/29/2002 12:13:37 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Jack Black
I think you have overstated your case here. Lots of men get married, stay married, have kids and never have any government agents show up at their door. It's just important to pick the right woman and treat her well. As it always has been.

Amen. BuddhaBoy's rhetoric sounds similar to the feminazi's diatribes about how all men are rapists, etc. Tiresome, and it's getting old. And so unlike the Enlightened One whom he chooses to identify himself with.

148 posted on 11/29/2002 12:21:22 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: BuddhaBoy
I can forsee a society where women are left with nothing but the dregs of society availble for marriage someday. Men with something to lose are not going to put their future's at risk under these conditions if they continue along their present path.

BINGO!!!!! You win. Thats the botoom line. The LCD (least common Denominater)

If the courts and women continue down this path what you have said is what will will happen. Womens rights have to work both ways. The old ways of marriage worked mighty well for centuries.

Its true that women didnt have a lof of say and the man may have had a mistress but when society awards women for screwing around on their husband and allows her to leave him knowing she will get the home, the children, a portion of his wages and the right to screw around with whoever she wants, children suffer and it is after all for the children

I know many of you will say a woman should not have to stay in a abusive relationship yet on the other hand you say men who have children with women who are not loyal are the dumb ones and should have to pay.

Its not right, the old way wasnt perfect either but it worked. Just like capitalism does not make for the perfect world but its the best of all other choices.

149 posted on 11/29/2002 12:22:38 PM PST by winodog
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To: BuddhaBoy
Men with something to lose are not going to put their future's at risk under these conditions if they continue along their present path.

Many already have.

150 posted on 11/29/2002 12:23:10 PM PST by meyer
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To: Jim Noble
Thank you!
151 posted on 11/29/2002 12:23:25 PM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Even if you can prove prior to the birth of the child that you're not the father?
152 posted on 11/29/2002 12:23:28 PM PST by inquest
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
>>Not in ohio if your married and your wife has a child thats not yours while you still being married to her the courts sees that child as yours hands down DNA test or not ive seen guys fight it and go to jail over child support of children who are not theirs<<

This is a major problem, but it arises because of the very recent separation in the law between responsibility and authority.

Under the common law, children born to a married man are indeed his responsibility, without possibility of appeal and this is an issue for which actual (literal, genetic) paternity has no significance.

BUT....

Those that the common law made "children of his marriage" also were, by the common law, his chattels and in addition to being his sole responsibility they were his sole possessions.

The idea that some cheap whore could steal his children and make him pay for the favor was, and should still be, inconceiveable.

153 posted on 11/29/2002 12:24:41 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: stands2reason
Hey bomb-thrower, show me one post where I made a general statement against women.
154 posted on 11/29/2002 12:26:03 PM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: inquest
Even if you can prove prior to the birth of the child that you're not the father?

These problems begin when a man signs a birth certificate, unknowing of the fact that the child that he has just signed his life away for, isnt his.

If a man knows a child isnt his, he doesnt have to sign the certificate at all, and the woman is then forced to PROVE paternity in court.

This is what the courts want to avoid. You have never seen such pressure as that for a man to sign that certificate IMMEDIATLY upon the birth of a child. Once they have his signature, it is all over for him if he is wrong. The courts will not help him.

155 posted on 11/29/2002 12:30:21 PM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: Jack Black
Lots of men get married, stay married, have kids and never have any government agents show up at their door. It's just important to pick the right woman and treat her well. As it always has been.

I'll go along with that sentiment. And I'll say further that it applies to women as well. To me, that's an argument for getting rid of all these child support/alimony laws, or at least keeping them as simple and unobtrusive as possible.

156 posted on 11/29/2002 12:32:41 PM PST by inquest
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To: BuddhaBoy
" These problems begin when a man signs a birth certificate, unknowing of the fact that the child that he has just signed his life away for, isnt his."

I dont remember signing a birth certificate for either of my childeren. Of course that would have been over 30 years ago.
157 posted on 11/29/2002 12:38:31 PM PST by babygene
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To: IronJack
I have to disagree with you about that.
The Constitution is primarily a limit on the powers of the Federal Government. The Bill of Rights while some might consider them "Social Instructions" were actually limits on the power of the States.

Social agendas are basically a way to force certain behaviours. The framers of the Constitution felt that the FREE MAN could guide his own life.
158 posted on 11/29/2002 12:41:44 PM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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To: BuddhaBoy
Hey bomb-thrower

Hope you don't spend too much time thinking up those epithets. You implied that no woman is trustworthy enough to marry. If I'm wrong, illuminate me, please.

160 posted on 11/29/2002 12:43:54 PM PST by stands2reason
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