The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [21st Revision]

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Latest Threads

• [2003-02-24] Anti-Creationists Backed Into a Corner?
• [2003-02-22] Case for Massive Black Hole Strengthened
• [2003-02-21] Humankind's Family Tree Reshaped
• [2003-02-20] Scruffy Little Weed Shows Darwin Was Right as Evolution Marches On
• [2003-02-20] New Age for Mungo Man, New Human History
• [2003-02-20] Berkeley Scientists Create First 3-D Map of Protein Universe
• [2003-02-19] Testes Gene May Be What Makes Us Human
• [2003-02-19] Extra Dimensions Showing Hints of Scientific Revolution
• [2003-02-17] Still Spinning Just Fine: A Response to Ken Miller
• [2003-02-17] 'Steves' Support Teaching of Evolution
• [2003-02-17] Mutation in Creativity Gene 'Led to Rise of Man'
• [2003-02-17] Birds That Sing Complex Songs Give Clue to Origins of Human Syntax
• [2003-02-15] The "Threat" of Creationism by Isaac Asimov
• [2003-02-14] Protein Machine Does Gymnastics
• [2003-02-14] Media Bias Stifles Creationists' Scientific Findings, Perspective
• [2003-02-13] Creation of "Darwin Day" Holiday
• [2003-02-12] Authors Say Earth's Hot Birth Foretells Its Death 
• [2003-02-11] Demons and Dawkins
• [2003-02-10] Scientists Flood the Flagellum Engine
• [2003-02-10] Science - Reuters: Stonehenge 'King' Came from Central Europe
• [2003-02-10] The "Baby Doctor," Benjamin Spock, on Darwin and Morality
• [2003-02-09] Scientists Get Close Look at Evolution
• [2003-02-09] Early Water on Earth
• [2003-02-08] So You Think You Are a Darwinian?
• [2003-02-08] The End of the Universe is Canceled
• [2003-02-08] The Case for Physics First
• [2003-02-07] Darwinism's Dilemma (Part 1: Cave Man)
• [2003-02-07] Darwinism's Dilemma (Part 2: Hard Man)
• [2003-02-06] Paul Nelson Chat Transcript
• [2003-02-06] New Findings Put Noah's Epic Story to the Test
• [2003-02-06] Genes of History's Greatest Lover Found?
• [2003-02-05] A Few Pointers on Investigation
• [2003-02-04] Mutant Bacteria Become Microscopic Motors
• [2003-02-03] Professor's Snub of Creationism Prompts U.S. Inquiry
• [2003-02-03] Neanderthal DNA Sequencing
• [2003-02-03] Evolutionary Logic
• [2003-02-02] Leaving Bones on the Plate - What Not to Accept About Darwinism
• [2003-02-01] Genetics:  Why Prince Charles is So Wrong

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• [2003-01-31] Polonium Radiohalos and the Age of the Earth - Update
• [2003-01-31] Is Randomness Really Random?
• [2003-01-31] Genome Evolution | First, a Bang then, a Shuffle
• [2003-01-30] Professor Refuses Letters of Recommendation to Creationist Students
• [2003-01-30] New Ediacara Fossils Exacerbate Cambrian Explosion
• [2003-01-30] 500 Vertebrate Fish Found in Early Cambrian
• [2003-01-29] A Mystery in Black and White:  Domestic Animals Look - and Act - Differently
• [2003-01-28] Odds Against Earth-like Planets
• [2003-01-28] New Four-Winged Feathered Dinosaur?
• [2003-01-28] Earliest Evidence of Dairy Farming Found
• [2003-01-28] The Death of "Mitochondrial Eve"
• [2003-01-27] Cross-Species Birds May Offer Clues
• [2003-01-25] Protein 'Makes Cancer Cells Self-Destruct'
• [2003-01-22] Hunters Claim to Find 4-Winged Dinosaur
• [2003-01-21] What Do You Say When Someone Says the Earth's Flat?
• [2003-01-21] Man Descended from Early Aardvark
• [2003-01-20] Range of Giant Elephant Ancestor Reviewed
• [2003-01-20] Chemistry Guides Evolution, Claims Theory
• [2003-01-20] 21st Century New York Meets Neanderthal Male
• [2003-01-18] Dinosaurs Met End Before K-T Collision
• [2003-01-17] New Study Suggests Missing Link that Explains How Dinosaurs Learned to Fly
• [2003-01-17] Bird Wings Can Help Keep Birds Down, Not Up
• [2003-01-16] From Worm Genes, Human Obesity Clues
• [2003-01-15] Stick Insects Force Evolutionary Rethink
• [2003-01-15] Creationist Museum Acquires 5000-Year-Old T-Rex Skeleton
• [2003-01-14] Making Waves Over Noah's Flood
• [2003-01-14] Expanding the Genetic Code:  The World's First Truly Unnatural Organism
• [2003-01-13] Intelligent Design and Creationism Just Aren't the Same
• [2003-01-13] End of World Has Already Begun, U of WA Scientists Say in Book 'The Life and Death of Planet Earth'
• [2003-01-11] Refuting Darwinism, Point by Point
• [2003-01-10] On Evolution Islands, Nature Does an About Turn
• [2003-01-03] Study Suggests Orangutans are Cultured
• [2003-01-03] Research Finds Life 1000 Feet Beneath Ocean Floor
• [2003-01-03] Evolution:  What the Pope Said
• [2003-01-03] "Dark Energy" Dominates the Universe
• [2003-01-02] Chinese Roots:  Skull May Complicate Human-Origins Debate

Links

• The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics

• The 6 days of Creation: Days or Ages?

• 20 Answers from an Evolutionist {Russell Stewart}

• 50 Reasons to Leave Evolutionism

• 300,000-Year-Old Site In Brazil

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• Adolph Hitler's Religion

• Aeon

• All About Archaeopteryx {Chris Nedin, Talk Origins, January 15, 1999}

• American Association for the Advancement of Science

• American Medicine: Hypothesis Concerning Soul Substance Together with Experimental Evidence of The Existence of Such Substance

• The Anatomy of Pterosaurs

• Animal Behavior: You Can Learn a Lot From a Featherhead. {Popular Science}

• Another Hovind Debate Report

• Answers In Genesis

• Antichaos and Adaptation {Stuart A. Kauffman, Scientific American}

• The Archaeopteryx FAQs {Chris Nedin, Talk Origins, 1995-1997}

• Archaeopteryx's Relationship With Modern Birds {Thomas Holtz, Jr., 1995}

• Archimedes Plutonium

• Are the Odds Against the Origin of Life Too Great to Accept? {Richard Carrier, The Philosophical Scientist, 2000)

• Are You a Quack?

• Arguments We Think Creationists Should Not Use {Answers in Genesis}

• Arthropod Evolution (Slide Show)

• Ascent of Racism

• Astronomical Pseudo-Science: A Skeptic's Resource List (Version 2.3; May 2001) {The Astronomical Society of the Pacific)

• Astronomy Supplement 25: Exobiology {October 26, 1998}

• Aves:  Fossil Record  {U. C. Berkley}

• Ayn Rand and Objectivism

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• Baby Dinosaur From Italy With Guts Preserved {University of Bristol}

• Bat Facts {Smithsonian Institution}

• Bats May Have Invented Flight Twice (At Least!) {Science Frontiers Online, May-June 1986}

• Bats Push the Limits of Sonar {Elizabeth Pennisi, October 19, 1998} 

• Bearfabrique

• The Beginnings of Life on Earth {Christian de Duve, American Scientist, September-October 1995}

• Behe, Biochemistry, and the Invisible Hand

• Behe's Book

• The Bible Is a Textbook of Science

• Biblical Creation Society

• Biology and Evolutionary Theory {Talk Origins}

• Bird Brains

• Bird Evolution: A Theropod Legacy  {Justin Hall}

• Bombardier Beetles and the Argument of Design

• A Branch in Feather Evolution {Academic Press: Daily InScight, 7 March 2001}

• Bruce Lipton, Cells and Computer Components etc.

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• Calico Early Man Archaeological Site

• Carboniferous Human Bones -- An Evaluation

• Catastrophism

• Cell Intelligence

• Cells: Origins

• Center for Renewal of Science and Culture

• Center for Scientific Creation

• Chordates and the Evolution of the Craniata {University of Miami, April 1, 1997}

• Christian Answers Network

• Christian Apologetics

• Chuck Darwin's Family: Social Clymers and Worse

• A Closer Look at the Genome’s ‘Black Holes'

• The Clown Prince of Astrophysics

• Collective Electrodynamics

• Common Ancestry Of Monkeys, Apes And Humans

• Common Questions:  Mammal-Like Reptiles

• The Complete Idiot's Guide To Understanding Evolution

• The Concepts of Modern Astrology: a Critique {Ivan W. Kelly, University of Saskatchewan, Canada}

• Controversial Fossil Claimed to Sink Dinosaur-Bird Link

• Cosmic Soot and Organic Asteroids {Science Frontiers Online, May-Jun 1993}

• The Crackpot Index

• CrankDotNet*

• Creation Education Center

• Creation-Evolution Encyclopedia

• Creation/Evolution:  The Eternal Debate

• Creation Research Society

• Creation "Science" Debunked

• Creation vs.*

• Creationism: Bad Science or Immoral Pseudoscience?

• Creationism and Pseudo Science

• Creationism is Correct - Part 1

• Creationism is Correct - Part 2

• Creationism: the Hindu View

• The Creationist Argument from Forgery Refuted

• The Creationist Argument from Hoatzin Refuted

• Creationist Arguments: Nebraska Man

• Creationist Geologic Time Scale: an attack strategy for the sciences

• Creationist Mindblocks to Whale Evolution"

• Creationists' Cartoons

• A Critical Look at Creationist Paleontology {Creation Science and Earth History}

• Critique of Gould

• A Critique of Wallace: "There Are No Transitional Fossils"

• The Current State of Creation Astronomy {Institute for Creation Research, August 1998}

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• Darwin at Nuremberg I

• Darwin at Nuremberg II

• Darwin at Nuremberg III

• Darwin Papers (Jim Foard)

• Darwin's Environment

• Darwin's Racism

• Darwin, Full Text of His Writings

• Darwin, Racism, Evil

• Darwinian Natural Right: the Biological Ethics of Human Nature

• A Delicate Balance {Russell F. Doolittle, March 1997, Boston Review}

• Dembski: No Free Lunch

• Dembski on Intelligent Design

• Dino-Bird Evolution Falls Flat! {Answers in Genesis, March-May 1998}

• Dino Data

• Does the Bible Teach a Young Earth?

• Dogmatic Darwinism

• Don Scott's Version of Electric Sun Theory

• Downy 'Dragon' Shakes Up Theories of Bird Evolution {New Scientist, 19 Oct 1996}

• Dr. Hovind's $250,000 Offer

• Dromaeosaurid Archaeopteryx

• Duplication Mutations

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• Early Life Lasted a Little Longer {Daily InScight, June 11, 1998}

• Early Marsupial Found in Madagascar

• E.B. Wilson Lecture: The Cell as Molecular Machine

• The Electric Cosmos

• Electric Universe

• Ensatina eschscholtzi: Speciation in Progress

• Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics!

• Evangelicals and Crackpot Science

• Evidences for a Young Earth (and Universe) that's Approximately 6,000 Years Old (Not Billions)

• Evidence Supports Dinosaur-Bird Evolution {How Stuff Works, August 14, 2000}

• Evolution as Anti-Science

• Evolution Deceit

• The Evolution Fact FAQ by Dr. M. R. Leipzig

• The Evolution of Bears

• The Evolution of Flight {U. C. Davis, September 7, 2001}

• Evolution of the Bacterial Flagella

• The Evolution of Vertebrate Blood Clotting

• Evolution or Christianity: Pick One...

• Evolution's Quadrillion-Year Time Requirements

• Evolutionary and Geological Timelines {Talk Origins}

• Evolutionary Theory FAQ

• Exercise 1-2: Chronological Methods {The University of California, December 8, 2000}

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• Faith Can Never Conflict with Reason

• Faith Facts

• The Few Thousand Years the Evolutionists Actually Have

• The First Food: Tholin {Science Frontiers Online, May-June 1991}

• Flat Earth Society Homepage!

• Flat-Out Truth:  Earth Orbits? Moon Landings? A Fraud! Says This Prophet

• The Flood and the Earth's Age {Bearfabrique}

• Fossil Man:  Evolutionist-Converter Quotes from Video Lectures!

• Fossil Record Quote Collection

• Fossils Challenge Theory of Rapid Animal Evolution in Cambrian

• Framsticks Artificial Life - 3D Evolution and Simulation

• Frequently Asked But Never Answered Questions

• Frequently Encountered Criticisms in Evolution vs. Creationism: Revised and Expanded

• From Bearfabrique: Evolution vs. Logic

• From Lucy to the Flat-Faced Man

• From Proteins to Protolife {Lipkin, Richard, Science News, July 23, 1994}

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• The Gap Theory {Middletown Bible Church}

• Geocentricity Home Page

• Glaciers May Not Have Driven Modern Bird Evolution {Jeff Poling, 1997}

• Glenn R. Morton's Site About Creationism's Fallacies

• God Hates SPAMMING Idiots!

• The Grazian Archive

• The Great Archosaur Lineage

• Great Collection of Links

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• Hellish Start for Life, A {Daily InScight, July 31, 1998}

• Hidden History, Hidden Agenda

• 'Histone Code'Joins Genetic Code as Critical Determinant of Chromosomal Inheritance: Study Reveals Key Properties of Silent Versus Active DNA"

• Holosicence

• Horse Evolution {Talk Origins}

• How Can Evolution Cause Irreducibly Complex Systems? {29 June 2000}

• How Close Are Scientists to Knowing the Origin of Life on Earth? When, If Ever, Will We be Able to Explain the Origin of Life in Purely Scientific Terms?  {Karuppiah Chockalingam, Scientific American}

• How Could An Eye Evolve?

• How Different Are We? {The Atlantic Online, 2001}

• How Good Are Those Young-Earth Arguments?

• How Life Emerged

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• IDEA Club

• Immanuel Velikovsky

• Inherit the Wind: a Historical Analysis

• Institute for Creation Research

• Intelligent Design Network

• The International Flat Earth Society

• International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design

• Introduction to the Archaean

• Irreducible Complexity and Michael Behe {Talk Origins}

• Is Evolution Science?

• Is the Blood Clotting Cascade Irreducibly Complex?

• Is the Earth Young?

• Is the Young-Earth Interpretation Biblical?

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• Jack Chick (Making the Truth Simple Enough for Evolutionists and other Feebs...)

• Jurassic Quark

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• Kronia Group

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• Learning About the Vendian Animals

• Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and Probability of Abiogenesis Calculations

• Life32v1.11 - Conway's Game of Life

• Life, Life Everywhere {Scientific American}

• Life on Earth Began at Least 3.85 Billion Years Ago, 400 Million Years Earlier Than Previously Thought, Scientists Say {NASA, November 6, 1996} 

• Links for Paleobotanists

• Links on Complexity, Self-organization and Artificial Life

• A List of Fallacious Arguments

• Low-Energy Nuclear Transmutation Kit, Model 1

• Luminescence Dating at the Research Laboratory for Archaeology and the History of Art {RLAHA, May 29, 1999}

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• Macroevolution {John Wilkins, Talk Origins, 1997}

• Magisterium Is Concerned with Question of Evolution For It Involves Conception of Man {Pope John Paul II, 22 October 1996}

• Malthus and Evolutionists

• Mammal-like Reptiles and the First Mammals

• Michael Cremo and Forbidden Archaeology

• Microscopic Bone Evidence Supports Dinosaur-Bird Evolution Link {Science Daily, August 10, 2000}

• Micro vs. Macroevolution

• The Mind and Works of Ted Holden

• Mishipishu, the Water Panther {Bearfabrique} 

• Modern History Sourcebook: The Crime of Galileo: Indictment and Abjuration of 1633 {Paul Halsall, July 1998, rev. January 1999}

• Molecular "Fossils" of Early Life {Yale University, January 31, 1999}

• Mongolian Fossil Sheds Light on Bird Evolution {Scientific American, January 2001}

• Mungo Man Older than Thought

• Mungo Man vs. Mitochondrial Eve

• Mysteries from the Depths of Time:  The Coso Artifact {Pierre Stromberg and Paul Heinrich, May 31, 2000}

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• Natural Selection an Agency of Stasis, not Change

• Neanderthals 'Mated With Modern Humans'
• Neanderthals Not Human Ancestors
• New DNA Clues to Neanderthals
• A New Look at an Old Earth

• The Non-Moving Earth & Anti-Evolution Web Page

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• Observed Instances of Speciation {Joseph Boxhorn, Talk Origins, September 1, 1995}

• Of Mousetraps and Men {Niall Shanks & Karl H. Joplin, East Tennessee State University}

• On Creation Science and "Transitional Fossils"  {Tim Thompson}

• The Origins and Early Evolution of Life {January 1996}

• Origins of Life Links

• The Origin of Life on Earth {Leslie E. Orgel}

• Origin of Life: the Early Atmosphere {Creation Science}

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• Patterns of Speciation [ICR]

• Phillip Johnson's Page

• Phylogeny of Life {UCMP Exhibit Halls}

• Phylum Level Evolution

• Pillars, Polystrate Formations, and Potholes {1977, Douglas E. Cox}

• Plantae: Fossil Record

• Polystrate Fossils {25 July 2001}

• "Polystrate" Tree Fossils {Andrew MacRae, 1994-1997, Talk Origins}

• Population and Evolutionary Genetics

• Prebiological Chemistry in Titan's Atmosphere {Science Frontiers Online, Jan-Feb 1987}

• The Probability of Abiogenesis

• The Process of Speciation {University of Michigan, 1996}

• Project Gutenberg
• Pro-Evolution/Anti-Creationism Resources
• Punctuated Equilibrium Example: Some Dinosaurs

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• Quantum Intelligence in the Universe?

• Quiz: Are You Ted Holden?

• Quotations and Misquotations:  Why Creationist Quotes are Not Valid Evidence Against Evolution

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• Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective {Dr. Roger C. Wiens}

• The Raelians

• Recent Scientific Papers on ALH 8400

• Refuting the Dinosaur-to-Bird Myth {The Young Earth Creation Club, Johnathan D. Sarfati, PhD., F. M.}

• Report on a Hovind Debate

• Response to Ted Holden's Question About Water on Mars

• Review: "Darwin's Black Box"

• Rods

• Rupert Sheldrake, Morphogenic Fields, Resonances, Etc.

• Russell Turpin's "Characterization of Quack Theories"

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• Saturnian Org

• Science Design Kit

• Science, Scripture, and the Saviour

• The Second Law of Thermodynamics!

• The Second Law of Thermodynamics in the Context of the Christian Faith

• Self-Organizing Systems (SOS) FAQ

• Site that Debunks Virtually All of Creationism's Fallacies

• The Skeptic Annotated Bibliography

• Skull and Fossils in Ethiopia

• Smooth Change in the Fossil Record

• Society for the Advancement of Autodynamics

• Some More Observed Speciation Events

• Speciation {Kimball's Biology Pages, December1, 2001}

• Speciation by Punctuated Equilibrium {Don Lindsay}

• Splifford FAQ (How Talk.Origins and Sci.Bio.Evolution Really Work)

• Stiff-Necked Dinosaurs

• A Summary of the Paluxy "Man Track" Controversy {Talk Origins, 1992}

• A Systematic Approach to Origins Clarification

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• Talk Origins and the Darwin/Hitler Test

• The Taylor Site "Man Tracks" {Glen J. Kuban, 1986}

• Ted Holden and Ed Conrad Pretend They Found Fossilized Human Bone - The Skeptic Tank

• Ted Holden's "Intermediate Fossil" Quotes from Walter ReMine's "Biotic Message" {Andrew MacRae}

• Ted Holden's World

• Ted Holden's Frequent Questions Answered

• The "Threat" of Creationism, by Isaac Asimov

• Tool-Using Crows Give New Meaning to Term 'Bird Brained' {Psychiatric News, March 1, 1996}

• Torah and Science

• Transitional Fossils -- Age and Descent {Wesley R. Elsberry}

• Transitional Fossils Leading to Orbulina {April 26, 1998}

• Transitional Fossils FAQ {Kathleen Hunt}

• Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ {Kathleen Hunt, Talk Origins, March 17, 1997}

• Turning a Corner in the Search for the Origin of Life {Peter Wills, SFI Bulletin, Summer 1997}

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• The Universe

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• Venus: Astronomers' Worst Nightmare {Bearfabrique}

• Vertebrate Flight: Chiropteran Flight {U. C. Berkeley}

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• Water Lily Study Sheds Light on Evolution of Flowering Plants {Scientific American}
• Well Preserved Meteorite Yields Clues To Carbon Evolution In Space

• Whale of a Tale, A {Darby South, 2 September 1995, TalkOrigins}

• What are "Polystrate" Fossils? (John D. Morris, Ph.D., 17 June 2002, Institute for Creation Research}

• What is Astrochemistry? {Expo/Science & Industry/Whispers From the Cosmos}
• What is Evolution?
• What Would We Expect to Find if the World had Flooded?
• When Did Eukaryotic Cells (Cells With Nuclei and Other Internal Organelles) First Evolve? What Do We Know About How They Evolved From Earlier Life-Forms? {Tara Murphy, Scientific American}
• Why Evolutionary Algorithms Cannot Generate Specified Complexity, Dembski
• Why I No Longer Debate Idiots
• Wistar Symposia: Mathematics vs. Evolution
• The World's Oldest Living Thing

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• Young Earth And Flood Geology

 

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Working Theory of Evolution (contributed by Physicist)

At some finite time in the past, life began somehow. (How it began is beyond the scope of the theory, but the observational evidence strongly suggests that only one such beginning on Earth has left descendants to the present day.) As life reproduces and multiplies, mutations occur with small but finite probabilities, causing new genes to be added, and creating new alleles of existing genes. The different alleles confer different traits upon their owners, rendering them more or less successful in coping with their environments. The organisms that are more successful in coping with their environments consequently have a slightly greater probability of passing their genes to the next generation of organisms than do the less successful organisms. This causes allele frequencies to change over time.

Because mutations are random according to their probabilities, there is essentially a zero probability that two non-interbreeding populations will get the same set of mutations. (Even if they somehow do, there is essentially a zero probability that the frequencies of the alleles will end up the same in both populations.) The alleles and new genes available in each population will therefore diverge, with the result that the populations become genetically more distant from each other over time. Eventually, the two populations will become genetically so distant that they lose the ability to produce viable hybrids between them. This is the cause of the origin of species.

• The Complete Idiot's Guide To Understanding Evolution
• What is Evolution?
• How You, the Creationist, Can Wage War Against Evolution

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Working Theory of Creationism

Gen 1:1-31
¹In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.  ²And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.  ³And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.  ⁴And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.  ⁵And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.  ⁶And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.  ⁷And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so.  ⁸And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.  ⁹And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.  ¹⁰And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.  ¹¹And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.  ¹²And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.  ¹³And the evening and the morning were the third day.  ¹⁴And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:  ¹⁵And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.  ¹⁶And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.  ¹⁷And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,  ¹⁸And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good.  ¹⁹And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.  ²⁰And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.  ²¹And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.  ²²And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.  ²³And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.  ²⁴And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.  ²⁵And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.  ²⁶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.  ²⁷So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.  ²⁸And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.  ²⁹And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.  ³⁰And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.  ³¹And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Gen 2:1-25
¹Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.  ²And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.  ³And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.  ⁴These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,  ⁵And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground.  ⁶But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.  ⁷And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.  ⁸And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.  ⁹And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  ¹⁰And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.  ¹¹The name of the first [is] Pison: that [is] it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where [there is] gold;  ¹²And the gold of that land [is] good: there [is] bdellium and the onyx stone.  ¹³And the name of the second river [is] Gihon: the same [is] it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.  ¹⁴And the name of the third river [is] Hiddekel: that [is] it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river [is] Euphrates.  ¹⁵And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.  ¹⁶And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:  ¹⁷But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.  ¹⁸And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.  ¹⁹And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.  ²⁰And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.  ²¹And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;  ²²And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.  ²³And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.  ²⁴Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.  ²⁵And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

 

[Junior]

Ping.

[VadeRetro]

Updating my bookmarks. Lest this otherwise be a thankless labor for you ...

Thank you very much!

[PatrickHenry]

Another glorious (and under-appreciated) effort. Well done!

[RadioAstronomer]

Whoooooooohoooooo! :-)

Great job!!!

[Commander8]

More info on this debate than I can handle.
Great work.

[unspun]

Thank you for your work, Junior, but I have to take umbrage with your even including the link, "Hitler's Religion." In that scurrilous article, the author points out exactly how un-Christian and anti-Christ Hitler was, including his abuse of the Scripture and perversion of Christian concepts, yet the writer would use this very information in order to label Hitler a Christian!

If FreeRepublic.com does not tolerate the articles of Democrats, who are against our principles of such things as monetary policy and labor unions, how is it we tolerate linking to an article that would call Adolph Hitler a Christian? And here it is in a "master thread" about the study of origins?

Please tell me. What is the purpose of your heart and mind, in posting this (and posting it without refutation)?

I look forward to your reply.

[Junior]

First off, I post links to articles and threads from both sides of the house in the crevo debate. Secondly, the creationist side consistently calls Hitler an evolutionist. His anti-Semitism comes from Lutheranism (Luther was a notorious anti-Semite). The thread mentioned shows Hitler's actual beliefs in his own words. If you have any other "refutation" articles, please send me the links.

[unspun]

If you have any other "refutation" articles, please send me the links.

Hitler's antisemitism didn't come from Luther, it came from himself and the demons (meant literally) at work with him. Here you go. Helpful when confronting people who claim Hitler was a "Christian." Not hardly. Of course the Bible is the clearest refutation of that absurdity.

Hitler and the occult:
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/resources/books/annual3/chap09.html
http://www.dropbears.com/b/broughsbooks/military/occult_nazism.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7069/hitler.html
http://logosresourcepages.org/hitler.html

Hitler and Social Darwinism (socialism combined with eugenics and racism):
http://www.toolan.com/hitler/fuhrer.html
http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/hit.htm
http://husky1.stmarys.ca/~wmills/course203/8Racism.html
http://www.gennet.org/metro15.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/4871/Darwin.html

Hitler and Nietzsche:
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/TCEH/Nietzsche.html
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/hum_303/nietzsche.html
http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/nietzsche/nietzsche.html
http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/Reinventing_Nietzsche.htm
http://www.needham.k12.ma.us/high_school/cur/Baker_00/baker_1800_soc/baker_jw_gg_p3/friedrich.htm

Finally, I suggest this book/documentary, about how such evils grow in cultures....
http://www.rationalpi.com/theshelter/live.html
http://www.freemedia.org/videos/howshouldwe.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0891072926/ref=ase_rationalpi/002-0567108-0640019

[unspun]

...which isn't to say that Luther had it all down straight and that he didn't have both positive and negative effects.

[unspun]

Sorry, I had to remove some extra code that somehow got attached to these links -- once again demonstrating that unintended mutation is overwhelmingly dysfunctional in nature.
Hitler and the occult:
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/resources/books/annual3/chap09.html
http://www.dropbears.com/b/broughsbooks/military/occult_nazism.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7069/hitler.html
http://logosresourcepages.org/hitler.html

Hitler and Social Darwinism (socialism combined with eugenics and racism):
http://www.toolan.com/hitler/fuhrer.html
http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/hit.htm
http://husky1.stmarys.ca/~wmills/course203/8Racism.html
http://www.gennet.org/metro15.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/4871/Darwin.html

Hitler and Nietzsche:
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/TCEH/Nietzsche.html
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/hum_303/nietzsche.html
http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/nietzsche/nietzsche.html
http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/Reinventing_Nietzsche.htm
http://www.needham.k12.ma.us/high_school/cur/Baker_00/baker_1800_soc/baker_jw_gg_p3/friedrich.htm

Finally, I suggest this book/documentary, about how such evils grow in cultures....
http://www.rationalpi.com/theshelter/live.html
http://www.freemedia.org/videos/howshouldwe.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0891072926/ref=ase_rationalpi/002-0567108-0640019