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'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^
| 11/22/2002
| ALAN I. LESHNER
Posted on 06/22/2003 5:29:39 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: CobaltBlue
Why do you want to dictate to all the kids in public schools? Yes, I do educate at home. Here is a funny thing. Two years ago our tri county had the "textbook selection" for ordering science books for many schools in 3 counties. They kept the doors open for 2 days for the parents to come in and give their ideas about which publisher would be best (like a textbook selection). My husband, 13 year old son and myself were the only parents to come in in those 2 days. I wonder what that means? I care for many reasons. I do not approve of the religion of evolution being taught in public schools at my expense. I am a huge taxpayer in my county. Why do I care? I care because the next generation of kids coming through the public school system are in danger.
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To: DannyTN
Scientists also hoot at totally bogus BS, so being hooted at doesn't mean you're right.
There just isn't any way for ID to ever have the last laugh, because it's never going to be verifiable. Not unless God shows up and demonstrates how He did it.
To: goodseedhomeschool
Not all tax payers believe in creationism...Remember, separation of church and state. Otherwise, we are teaching as Islam teaches.
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posted on
06/22/2003 6:56:48 PM PDT
by
Calpernia
(Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
To: BenLurkin
... I'm pretty sure gravity is a fact. Well you are wrong.
Facts are observable. "A rock drops to the earth" is a fact. Facts can be replicated and reproduced. I can drop the rock, you can drop it, anyone can and get the same observational results.
Facts are grouped into principles. "All things when dropped, fall to the earth." That is an example of a principle. It comes from the facts that we all can replicate and can be supported by experimentation.
"Gravity is the force that causes objects to be attracted to each other"-- a theory to explain the principles and facts. Theories, and principles can only be supported or disproved. They are never proven by experimentation.
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posted on
06/22/2003 6:57:28 PM PDT
by
Lysander
(My army can kill your army)
To: ALS
Time for "The Wire." Later.
To: Experiment 6-2-6; Liberal Classic; clamper1797; Right Wing Professor; Focault's Pendulum; ...
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To: ApesForEvolution
They hate us because what we are saying violate their religion (evolution). It is hard to discover they have been taught a lie all their lives. They will defend it to the end.
To: CobaltBlue
"Scientists also hoot at totally bogus BS, so being hooted at doesn't mean you're right. "True, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong either, no matter how big the consensus is against me.
"There just isn't any way for ID to ever have the last laugh, because it's never going to be verifiable. Not unless God shows up and demonstrates how He did it."
Never say never. And don't rule that last possibility out.
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:00:12 PM PDT
by
DannyTN
(Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
To: ALS
Two minutes left. Long enough to say that all ID does is point to complicated life processes and structures and say they are too complicated to have evolved.
Who knows, maybe that's true. Maybe life on earth actually was brought here on a space ship. But it's not science.
To: longshadow
Exhibiting the inherent fear of evos to any opposition.
Can't stand the heat. Your idea of discourse fits in better with Castro's.
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:00:29 PM PDT
by
ALS
(http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
To: CobaltBlue
Yeah, but what's really fun is watching convolutionists hypothesize, point to junk science, then lie, then make up more crap, then run around chasing wild geese, then lie some more, then run around chasing more wild geese, then conjecture, then cover up, then hypothesize, then ponder it all...only to start the cycle all over again.
When NEVER prsenting *ANY* real PROOF!
So, if evotards can throw all their garbage out in the street, who are they to say who else can do anything?
Oh..oh...oh...I know. The evotards somehow have more intellectual prowess and superiority because they are enlightened enough to buy into the evo-conspiracy?
Wrong. Evolution and the junk science in it, around it, on it and under it make everyone that buys into it a chimp.
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:00:43 PM PDT
by
ApesForEvolution
("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
To: goodseedhomeschool
yes, "to the END"
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:01:01 PM PDT
by
marbren
To: Calpernia
I think that if parents want their kids to learn evolution, they should have to pay for it like we do in Christian schools. They should send them to private schools. The state should not have to fund the religeous teachings of evolution.
To: CobaltBlue
"Long enough to say that all ID does is point to complicated life processes and structures and say they are too complicated to have evolved.
Who knows, maybe that's true. Maybe life on earth actually was brought here on a space ship. But it's not science."
And if it is true, evolution isn't science. Especially the way it's presented by the evos around these parts.
Escapist neo-religion at best
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:02:46 PM PDT
by
ALS
(http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
To: All
Will this thread still be here in the morning, or will the anti-rationalists succeed in getting it pulled?
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:03:54 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
To: CobaltBlue
"Maybe life on earth actually was brought here on a space ship."
What's really sad is that most evotards I know would buy the space ship explanation if given a choice of their Creator (the truth) or extra-terrestials.
ABG: Anything but God...
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:04:06 PM PDT
by
ApesForEvolution
("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
To: PatrickHenry
Evolution is not rational. The faith required to continue buying into the evocrap, though, is commanding...
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:05:13 PM PDT
by
ApesForEvolution
("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
To: ApesForEvolution
LOL funny you should mention that because many of them are already trying to go in that direction. Sad is'nt it?
To: Jorge
Did you even read my post? Hey, the sky is blue (AN EXCELLENT ARGUMENT FOR ID) And, uh, my cat is a calico (AN EXCELLENT ARGUMENT FOR ID)
And the idea that the speed of light has slowed down is based on the measurements of two scientists from the 1600's who actually got very close, giving themselves a 5% margin of error either way. The Australian scientist Setterfield took the highest margin of error from these measurements to state that the speed of light in 1600 was over 300,000 km/sec. Setterfield, of course, ignored the fact that 1600 measurement devices were hardly at the level they are today and that the scientists had allowed for a large margin of error that included today's known constant "C." He then published these findings, much to the happiness of CSers and IDers everywhere. The moment someone investigated, though, his fraud was discovered. If you wish to read Setterfield's original erroneous 'study', tis cited here: (Setterfield, 1981, cited in Strahler, 1990, p. 116). (AN EXCELLENT ARGUMENT FOR ...oh)
And I thought it was the evolution side of the argument that was supposed to be close-minded? If it can't be explained, don't immediately make it into the "God did it" argument, and if you do - be damned sure you can back it up with a reasonable explanation. Otherwise, you're a drone. And people don't listen to drones.
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:05:31 PM PDT
by
Derrald
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