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Posted on 08/05/2005 7:58:01 PM PDT by SeanEBoy

“This whole idea of personal autonomy, while I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view, some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone. Be able to do whatever they want to do; government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low. We shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom and we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should be able to do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world, and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone; that there is no is no such society, that I’m aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.”—Rick Santorum, 04 August 2005, Morning Edition on NPR (emphasis added)

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To: SeanEBoy

I do know what it is like to live in an area where drug use and prostitution was rampant, where there were needles and pipes outside the schools, where you couldn't stroll in the local park without running into prostitutes.

A lot of this was cut down by vigilant community and police action. One can walk through the park now, and those entrepreneurial groups of young people congregated on the corner have all but disappeared.

You think society would be better off if nothing could actually be done about such things. I think society would be worse off, I've SEEN what can happen to communities where morality is lax.

What you propose would make vice more prevalent, not less prevalent. It is not conservative at all to say that a society with more crackheads, more dope addicts, and rampant immorality would be better.

You are trying to impose your values system on society. Your values system posits that the only kinds of harm are those that are physical or harm property. This is not a value that society currently holds, and it is not a value that this society has EVER held. Thus, you are advocating a change in societal values. That is the opposite of conservatism.

21 posted on 08/05/2005 9:15:38 PM PDT by DameAutour (I'm uniquely one of us and one of them.)
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To: DameAutour
You lived in an area of no (or lax) enforcement. I went to school in North Philly which is pretty terrible due to, among many other things, drug abuse. These are examples of criminal behavior going un-punished

I'm not a pure libertarian and I'm not saying there should be no drug laws, but we've got lots and lots of drug laws now, and we've spent countless billions trying to tell people that doing drugs is really bad for them. To what end?

Again, these are all local issues, though. When you're community worked together, things improved. No federal grant or bloviating, self-rightous, pork-addicted interloper can make that happen. Only your community could.

22 posted on 08/05/2005 9:45:31 PM PDT by SeanEBoy
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To: Ode To Ted Kennedys Liver
Aphorisms by their very nature are oversimplifications. This does not always change the truth of the aphorism.

Heinlein was basically a Libertarian and, while not a complete libertairan myself, I tend to agree with most of their theses.

Some have posted that "you can not legislate morals" and then diverge from morals to mores. That which is socially acceptable can not be legislated, but basic morality, right vs wrong, can and must be legislated.

23 posted on 08/07/2005 9:04:51 AM PDT by AntiBurr ("Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam " with apologies to Cato)
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