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Alito Cloture Vote (72-25) Final; Judge Alito will be confirmed at 11 am (Eastern) tomorrow

Posted on 01/30/2006 1:42:31 PM PST by Indy Pendance

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To: popdonnelly

"Kennedy has waddled off the floor of the senate
It's Happy Hour. Poor Ted couldn't find his Anita Hill. So he used Kerry instead."

You should know, any man with power will find his useful idiots and exploit their eager ignorance.

781 posted on 01/30/2006 7:24:04 PM PST by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: river rat

me too, river rat. and that was when i was on my good behavior

782 posted on 01/30/2006 7:27:52 PM PST by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: Darkwolf377
Tom's forgiveness, far from being a show of weakness, is an expression of powerful moral fiber that firmly establishes him on a moral plane far above his oppressor, defines him as a man of more noble character, and proves that, although his body was broken, his moral principles remained unscathed and uncompromised. He would not compromise his moral character to slander his oppressor, to wish evil upon him, nor to permit another to do so. He thus died outwardly vanquished, but inwardly -- where God sees -- utterly victorious. For his goal was not to die a glorious death in the eyes of men, but to live a life worthy of the blood which had bought his salvation. THAT is what counts.

One may know the true measure of a man by observing the measure of that which brings him to anger.

783 posted on 01/30/2006 7:31:42 PM PST by HKMk23 (I am God. Even from eternity I am He, and there is none who can deliver out of My hand.)
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To: Theodore R.

Maybe this vote will shake loose the mental bondage in
New Jersey. Would you believe, one of four Jerseyites have Italian blood or are related to an Italian. I have to believe there will be a number of irate "eye-talians" in the garden state tonight. one of their own, from humble beginnings, who rose to high levels was pretty much dismissed and pissed on by the political power brokers of their state. and that was after the Dems on the Senate Judiciary made fools of themselves while also insulting the man and reducing his wife to tears.

784 posted on 01/30/2006 7:35:45 PM PST by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: HKMk23
That's putting a happy face on what's an illustration of how oppressors use one's own values to keep them in bondage. Just like those who want us to use our Constitution as a suicide note, to use the old saying.

If someone were choking me, if I just let him do that instead of striking out, I'd be dead, but someone could argue that I showed such high moral fibre by not using violence.

Same thing. An "Uncle Tom" is not someone who uses his moral values; it's someone who is USED and hamstrung by his OWN high moral values by those who don't share them. And his knowing he was a good guy doesn't make him any less of a fool.

Slaves who didn't violate their "morals" stayed in bondage when they should have violated them and got their freedom.

If you're going to tell me that if we were taken over by Islamofascists tomorrow and enslaved you still would not let me insult the moral fibre of our captors, or violate the commandment against killing, then I respectfully say I won't believe you. :)

785 posted on 01/30/2006 7:40:02 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (
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To: USS Alaska

"My wife cut her hand yesterday and I had to bandage it to get cloture"

A moose once bit my sister. Moose bites can be pretty nasty.

786 posted on 01/30/2006 7:55:35 PM PST by driveserve
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub


787 posted on 01/30/2006 9:37:33 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub


788 posted on 01/31/2006 3:03:15 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Darkwolf377
, he forgave--but SHOULD he have?

Don't know about you, but I'm not about to refuse to let anyone speak evil against Al Qaeda.

The point is that people like Tom pay attention to the little niceties and their oppressors take advantage of that.

I prefer the fighters.

Well, it's interesting. What you are describing is a "type" of Christ, a saint who accepts suffering.

What actually delegitimated slavery was a change in Christianity itself. Slavery existed before Christianity, and Christianity coexisted with slavery for about seventeen centuries. But in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries Christians - and no one else, not pagans, not wiccans, not Hindus, not Buddhists, certainly not Muslims - rejected not only the enslavement of themselves and their relatives but slavery as a legitimate institution. Britain spent large sums of money to maintain a squadron of naval vessels off the west coast of Africa, for no gain other than the moral satisfaction of suppressing the slave trade.

So the bottom line is that if you are a slave somewhere and you are hoping for deliverance, you hope either for the appearance of a rich relative to redeem you or Christians with rifles. And the example of the Civil War illustrates that that applies even if the people who are enslaving you are themselves Christians with rifles!

So Christianity is the only reason slavery is not a legitimate institution in the world today, and Uncle Tom is a (fictional) Christian saint. Does that about sum up the situation?

789 posted on 01/31/2006 4:20:47 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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It is quite horrifying to see what these DUmmies have to say. In ancient times these people would be worshipping at the alter of Baal.

790 posted on 01/31/2006 5:34:51 AM PST by Mini-14
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To: Mini-14

The DUs have become unhinged.

Ted Kennedy needs to take a sedative or something(other than a drink).

Chuck Shcumer was worse.

I'd like to say shut up.

But a lady has to say, Be quiet....; )

791 posted on 01/31/2006 10:04:49 AM PST by citizensgratitude (Our Military, present & past, the Highest example of Brotherhood of Man and doing God's Will)
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To: MNJohnnie
Pawlenty the Gov and our Senator Norm Coleman both could be formidable VP candidates. Hate to lose them from their offices but to get Minnesota Red for the 1st time since 1972......

I'm not willing to give up that Senate seat, & I'm not real keen on losing that Governorship either. That can't be all you have. Are any of the "I"s in the "I-R" party any good? That might pick up some centrists. I'm really leaning towards Allen being the candidate, which would mean NOT another Southerner for VP. A Midwesterner would work fine, and MN's the easiest flip (IMO) of the current blue states.

792 posted on 01/31/2006 10:31:57 AM PST by nina0113 (We got permits, yes we DO! We got permits, how 'bout YOU?)
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To: nina0113

Had not thought about it. Will keep my eyes and ears open. John Klein is a solid Congressman in a safe district. He is my Congressman. 25 year Marine vet. Good speaker. Big Guy. Grandfather. We could spare him since his solid Repbos. It's why I moved here :-) Jim Ramstead is another though he is a "Moderate" in a mixed district.

793 posted on 01/31/2006 10:43:32 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: Hi Heels

I'm not 100% sure, but it I think it has something to do with Karma. Those liberals are into that kind of stuff ya know?

794 posted on 01/31/2006 10:48:15 AM PST by Doctor Freeze
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To: Darkwolf377

>> That's putting a happy face on what's an illustration of how oppressors use one's own values to keep them in bondage.

No. It isn't. That's the cheap NAACP version of what "Uncle Tom" means, and if that's how you read it, then you've entirely missed the most salient point. Tom was no longer in any position to fight in any degree or capacity. He was completely beaten down, vanquished and dying. Your choking illustration just doesn't apply to this situation, nor does your islamofascist illustration apply. In both you assume a state of existence where resistance and/or escape remain possibilities. Tom, dying as he was, had access to neither.

That "Uncle Tom" has been contorted to denote someone who caves, or kow-tows to oppression instead of resisting (real or imagined) is flatly disgusting. The principle lesson of Uncle Tom is that, even at death's door, he refused to yield the moral high ground. He could no longer fight his captors, nor resist them, but he could still resist the evil of slander, which he did to his last breath and so died a better man before God, a better follower of Jesus Christ, than all of his captors. If that makes Tom a fool, then, fine; Tom's a fool for Jesus. Who's fool are you?

I cannot overemphasize, however, that none of this is to argue against active resistance where such can be effected. As I clearly conveyed earlier, had not such active resistance been undertaken on this continent, this Republic would not exist.

Now, if you want to play "what if", and get us captured by islamic fanatics, fine. I'll allow you to insult their moral fibre as much as you like; they don't have any, predicated upon the sham of a hollow religiosity as it is. Nor will I deny you any opportunity to kill them should opportunity arise. In fact, I'll help. You see, the Commandment is NOT, in the Hebrew, "Thou shalt not kill", but "Thou shalt not commit murder". The difference is crucial and you would do well to demote in your estimation any translation that misstates is as a moratorium on killing in general. Some of the modern English versions are extrememly limp-wristed at this very point.

I'll advocate and participate in whatever degree of active resistance and warfare may become requisite in order to preserve life, liberty and this Republic that enshrines both. If I survive to enjoy victory, so much the better, but if I am slain, I will not, in the throes of death, yield also to evil. THAT is the rightful legacy of "Uncle Tom".

795 posted on 01/31/2006 12:32:14 PM PST by HKMk23 (I am God. Even from eternity I am He, and there is none who can deliver out of My hand.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Guess what?

The forum we've been raising heck on just got themselves a few new moderators!

James T

These two are my main opponents! And the admin stated clearly in another post that he hates President Bush. Let's see if they DU the place and boot me out for my posts.

796 posted on 02/08/2006 12:27:32 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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