Texas Children's Services Scores Big Taking Children From Polygamists. Waco Officials Involved.

JoeClarke.Net ^ | 04/08/2008 | JoeClarke.Net

[joeclarke]

Yes, polygamy is illegal,as is pedophilia, and old men marrying too-young girls in Eldorado, Texas.

But, how did one anonymous voice message from one girl at the Yearning For Zion Ranch instigate Texas Child Protective Services to confiscate 400 children without an investigation?

Irony of ironies - A child protective services official, Marleigh Meisner who is overseeing the kidnappings, was also involved in the disastrous rush to judgment at David Koresh's Waco compound in 1993. "In my opinion, this is the largest endeavor we've ever been involved in the state of Texas," said Children's Protective Services spokesman Marleigh Meisner. Meisner was also involved in the 1993 siege of the David Koresh’s Branch Davidian compound located in Waco.

Could not the protective services people have done any sort of investigation before taking the Amish-like children and women from the Temple?

That's why we call them Socialist Services in Ohio. They are all too anxious to take children from parents who may be good and simultaneously leave children in homes with crack whore moms, or worse.

A couple of years ago we suffered the sensational tragedy of the Kenmore Six. A lesbian couple kept several of their children, born during their hetero years, starving in the home attic. The kids broke through a window and were discovered out in the cold streets of Akron Ohio salvaging for food and barely clothed.

Childrens Services had heard of abuse of the children from their fathers, who were not permitted to regularly visit the kids. The local magistrate even threatened the kids' fathers with jail if they would not stop complaining about the abuse inflicted by the lesbian "parents."

[Diamond]

More like a prison for woman and children. Do some research

Why bother doing research when I'm told as if it's some sort of justification for removing 400 children that some of them don't know what crayons are? (I'm being facetious.) Where would you like to me to research? Point me to a reliable source link, if you will.

What is the official justification for the removal and incarceration of these children? One allegation?

What is the evidence that this community is a "prison for woman and children"?

Cordially,

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

instead of "compound", why don't they say, "gated community", or "village"?

"LOVELY, secluded Pine Village Gated Community: 2-, 3- and 4-BR units, comm. pool, 24HR security, incestuous pedophilia, polygamy, starting at 400K."

Yeah. That sounds like a reasonable sort of synonym, I s'pose.

[Diamond]

children allegedly forced into sexual acts by elders bears investigating....

Certainly, if the allegation is credible. My question is whether the allegation is supported by sufficient evidence to remove 400 children from their homes and incarcerate them. If there's probable cause that a crime has been comitted, how about at least arresting the suspected abusers instead of taking the children out of their homes? Disrupt the perps' lives instead of the purported victims' lives.

I suspect when it's over the children or most of them will be returned to their mothers with the state retaining some oversight. Aren't most of the mothers with them now?

I don't know the present details. Why would custody of children be restored to polygamist mothers, that is, if they even are polygamist mothers? I suspect the nightmare continues for some of these children and parents, and perhaps it is ending for others. I don't know. 400 children is a pretty wide net.

Cordially,

[Diamond]

Hey, that could be a listing in San Fransisco.

Cordially,

[deport]

I don’t know the present details.

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I don’t either but that hasn’t kept either one of us from making assumptions as to the situation at hand. From some of the local news reports I’ve read they couldn’t get straight info or what they felt was straight info as the people kept changing their stories, identities, etc. Thus they got a temp court order good for 14 days to remove them and complete the investigative process. At the end of 14 days they have to return the childern or get another court order.

I still believe that the outcome will be to let the children go back to their mothers and families but with the state keeping some kind of oversight responsibility. As I said I don’t know as it is only my assessment of what I’ve read/seen, etc.

[Diamond]

At the end of 14 days they have to return the childern or get another court order.

You're right that I'm assuming some things too. One of my assumptions is that CPS's and juvenile/family court systems are industries. Court orders are not necessarily hard to get. 400 children swept up en masse into that morass will generate a lot of business and attorneys fees.

I personally trust State nannies as far as I can throw a Steinway 9 foot grand piano. I think it is probable that at least some of their parents are innocent parties and that they and their children have already been damaged and are going to be further hurt by what the State has done and will do to them. In that system you are guilty until proven innocent.

Cordially,

[napscoordinator]

Good news. They are starting to arrest these dirty people. I guess it is only two people so far, but hopefully over the next couple weeks they all will be arrested (who deserve it).

[deport]

Yep a couple have been arrested..........

BREAKING NEWS: Two arrested at FLDS ranch; initial suspect still at large

Staff report

Tuesday, April 8, 2008

Authorities this morning confirmed two arrests in the state investigation of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints' compound outside Eldorado.

Leroy Johnson Steed, 41, was arrested Monday on a charge of tampering with physical evidence, a third-degree felony, and is awaiting arraignment, a dispatcher at the Schleicher County Jail said.

Levi Barlow Jeffs, 19, also arrested Monday, faces a charge of interfering with the duties of a public servant, a Class B misdemeanor. Jeffs was released on $1,000 bond, the dispatcher said.

A third-degree felony is punishable by two to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000. A Class B misdemeanor is punishable by up to 18 days in jail and a fine up to $2,000.

Since Thursday, more than 400 children have been removed by state authorities from the compound and more than 100 women left voluntarily, in some cases to be with their children. The Texas Department of Public Safety and Child Protective Services are continuing to execute search warrants on the ranch.

The suspect who sparked the investigation, Dale Barlow, 50, remains at large. He is accused of fathering a baby with an FLDS ranch resident who was 15 when she became pregnant.

[Centurion2000]

Levi Barlow Jeffs, 19, also arrested Monday, faces a charge of interfering with the duties of a public servant, a Class B misdemeanor.

What the hell kind of crime is this?

[deport]

What the hell kind of crime is this?

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Good question... He may have been hiding the coffee and donuts for all we know.... Can’t interfere with their break time, ya know.

[deport]

Louisiana may have the answer for these sex offenders:

Louisiana Lawmakers Consider Castration for Sex Offenders

[celticfreedom]

And as they investigate, children continue to be abused? I’m sorry, but when it comes to children..always err on the side of thier safety.
As one who works with teenagers who have been abused physically & sexually at the hands of “parents” and
seeing the long term affects...get in there and save the ones who have no voice!!!

[PennsylvaniaMom]

Ultimately what may bring the deviant ‘leaders’ to justice is that they were just a little too smart playing the ‘system.’ How did the ‘compound’ or as you call it, ‘village’ get financed? Are these ‘elders’ just hard working captains of industry OR have they come upon the pedophils’ Ponzi scheme? Spiritually ‘marry’ many young girls, get them pregnant. The girls, as single mothers claim welfare and Social Security benefits. A couple dozen lazy a$$ creeps fathering (and reaping the monetary rewards) of 400 plus children is alot of money coming in each month.

[greyfoxx39]

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[Diamond]

Flora Jessop, a former FLDS member who has been instrumental in highlighting abuses in the sect, called the Texas raid a "colossal mistake."

"Anyone who would have needed help is now terrorized back into the hole," she said. "Things were starting to open up in the community and calls were starting to come from people who wanted out."
Advocates say Texas raid may terrorize those who need help

FLDS kids may overload Texas' troubled foster care

Cordially,

[Diamond]

A motion filed by the cult's attorneys describes it as as an "unincorporated city or neighborhood of 300 to 400 residents" that includes single and multiple family homes, a doctor's office, a cheese manufacturing plant, a cement plant and other buildings spread over 1,691 acres.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8847459

This is basically a mass arrest of over 500 people, not including those who are being held at the "unincorporated city or neighborhood of 300 to 400 residents", but it's an arrest without the same due-process rights of criminal arrests.

CPS, getting the order of a judge, can detain over 416 children, hold them incommunicado, interrogate them, and do whatever they want to them without saying anything to anybody for 14 days, based on the affidavit of one person? Are these children's mothers allowed to communicate with their children, or others outside their confinement? Are they allowed to leave, or are they under arrest, too?

The alleged pedophiles have more rights if they are arrested than these victims. The children range in age from 4-17, and include boys. Can somebody please tell me what is justified about detaining these children and traumatizing them and no-doubt endangering some of them further via the foster care system of the State of Texas, which is ill-equiped to handle them, INSTEAD OF ARRESTING THE ALLEGED PEDOPHILES AND POLYGAMISTS AND WELFARE CHEATS ON PROBABLE CAUSE?

Back at Fort Concho, media watched as a group of 9 young boys were walking around a grassy parade field. The boys approached the fence at one end of the field, where reporters called out to ask if they were being treated well.

One young man shook his head, no. As reporters moved closer to the fence, a CPS worker called the boys back to the buildings. One older boy then appeared to be being scolded by the worker.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8851095a

It seems to me to be massive power abuse and overkill.

I'll bet you a donut that the State didn't even know the names of all these people, and neither did the judge who ordered their detention.

Cordially,

[meandog]

The bigger problem is that these children are going to end up as wards of the state, cost millions in foster care, cost millions more in therapy and rehab efforts, and probably cost even more in terms of lives when all those efforts fail and they perhaps become suicide victims or substance abusers...paid, of course, by Mr. and Ms. Taxpayer of America.

Accordingly, there is a role for government here: Storm fundamental cults of worship that deviate from the mainstream and castrate the perps who sexually abuse any minor. (Go ahead and flame, I have my asbestos suit on).

[PennsylvaniaMom]

The evacuation of the woman (who left of their own decision) and the minor children (taken into protective custody by the state of Texas is what had to be done.

Arresting the 'pedophiles' would be moot as they seem to live on some kind of circuit (not all residing in TX, some w/other 'families' in UT or NV). So, like the roach you get out in the middle of the floor he still has buddies under the baseboards...removing the victims is two fold. One, sparing them from further immediate physical abuse; and two, getting them 'out' before their 'patriarchs' tell them of the eternal damnation they will receive for talking to the 'outsiders' (or some such other mind controlling dribble). This is a true no-win situation.

Maybe some will 'go back' to the cult (as it is the only life they have known...remember, this is generational...the grandmothers of today's child brides there would only be in their forties). Maybe some will trully see how repugnant their chosen lifestyle is. And maybe the forty year olds (plus) creeps will learn not to (at the very least) defraud the welfare depart of the state of Texas.

[Diamond]

Why were boys taken into custody?

Cordially,

[Diamond]

Another question: The men still on the property are not allowed to leave it. They are being detained by force. They are are for all intents and purposes under house arrest, but the authorities say that only one person (I think) has been "arrested". Under what law is these men's liberty being denied? Do they have the same rights as any other criminal defendant in the United States?

Cordially,